[zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-11 Thread Ivan Wang
Ivan Wang wrote: Hi, However, this raises another concert that during recent discussions regarding to disk layout of a zfs system (http://www.opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID= 25679tstart=0) it was said that currently we'd better give zfs the whole device (rather than

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-11 Thread Ayaz Anjum
HI ! I have some concerns here, from my experience in the past, touching a file ( doing some IO ) will cause the ufs filesystem to failover, unlike zfs where it did not ! Why the behaviour of zfs different than ufs ? is not this compromising data integrity ? thanks Ayaz From: Robert

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-11 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Ivan, Sunday, March 11, 2007, 12:01:28 PM, you wrote: IW Got it, thanks, and a more general question, in a single disk IW root pool scenario, what advantage zfs will provide over ufs w/ IW logging? And when zfs boot integrated in neveda, will live upgrade work with zfs root?

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-11 Thread Matty
On 3/11/07, Robert Milkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IW Got it, thanks, and a more general question, in a single disk IW root pool scenario, what advantage zfs will provide over ufs w/ IW logging? And when zfs boot integrated in neveda, will live upgrade work with zfs root? Snapshots/clones

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-11 Thread Tim Foster
Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Ivan, Sunday, March 11, 2007, 12:01:28 PM, you wrote: IW Got it, thanks, and a more general question, in a single disk IW root pool scenario, what advantage zfs will provide over ufs w/ IW logging? And when zfs boot integrated in neveda, will live upgrade work

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-11 Thread Frank Cusack
On March 11, 2007 6:05:13 PM + Tim Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * ability to add disks to mirror the root filesystem at any time, should they become available Can't this be done with UFS+SVM as well? A reboot would be required but you have to do regular reboots anyway just for

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-11 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 11:21:13AM -0700, Frank Cusack wrote: On March 11, 2007 6:05:13 PM + Tim Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * ability to add disks to mirror the root filesystem at any time, should they become available Can't this be done with UFS+SVM as well? A reboot would be

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-11 Thread Dennis Clarke
Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Ivan, Sunday, March 11, 2007, 12:01:28 PM, you wrote: IW Got it, thanks, and a more general question, in a single disk IW root pool scenario, what advantage zfs will provide over ufs w/ IW logging? And when zfs boot integrated in neveda, will live upgrade

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-11 Thread Lin Ling
Matty wrote: I am curious how snapshots and clones will be integrated with grub. Will it be posible to boot from a snapshot? I think this would be useful when applying patches, since you could snapshot / ,/var and /opt, patch the system, and revert back (by choosing a snapshot from the grub

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-11 Thread Matty
On 3/11/07, Lin Ling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matty wrote: I am curious how snapshots and clones will be integrated with grub. Will it be posible to boot from a snapshot? I think this would be useful when applying patches, since you could snapshot / ,/var and /opt, patch the system, and

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS stalling problem

2007-03-11 Thread Jesse DeFer
OK, I tried it with txg_time set to 1 and am seeing less predictable results. The first time I ran the test it completed in 27 seconds (vs 24s for ufs or 42s with txg_time=5). Further tests ran from 27s to 43s, about half the time greater than 40s. zpool iostat doesn't show the large

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-11 Thread Lin Ling
Matty wrote: How will /boot/grub/menu.lst be updated? Will the admin have to run bootadm after the root clone is created, or will the zfs utility be enhanced to populate / remove entries from the menu.lst? The detail of how menu.lst will be updated is still being worked out. We don't plan on

RE: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-11 Thread Ellis, Mike
While the snapshot isn't RW, the clone is and would certainly be helpful in this case Isn't the whole idea to: 0) boot into single-user/boot-archive if you're paranoid (or just quiess and clone if you feel lucky) 1) clone the primary OS instance+relevant-slices boot into the primary OS 2)

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-11 Thread Darren Dunham
I have some concerns here, from my experience in the past, touching a file ( doing some IO ) will cause the ufs filesystem to failover, unlike zfs where it did not ! Why the behaviour of zfs different than ufs ? UFS always does synchronous metadata updates. So a 'touch' that creates a file

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: update on zfs boot support

2007-03-11 Thread Darren Dunham
On Sun, Mar 11, 2007 at 11:21:13AM -0700, Frank Cusack wrote: On March 11, 2007 6:05:13 PM + Tim Foster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * ability to add disks to mirror the root filesystem at any time, should they become available Can't this be done with UFS+SVM as well? A reboot

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-11 Thread Ayaz Anjum
HI ! Well as per my actual post, i created a zfs file as part of Sun cluster HAStoragePlus, and then disconned the FC cable, since there was no active IO hence the failure of disk was not detected, then i touched a file in the zfs filesystem, and it went fine, only after that when i did sync

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-11 Thread Toby Thain
On 11-Mar-07, at 11:12 PM, Ayaz Anjum wrote: HI ! Well as per my actual post, i created a zfs file as part of Sun cluster HAStoragePlus, and then disconned the FC cable, since there was no active IO hence the failure of disk was not detected, then i touched a file in the zfs

Re: Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] writes lost with zfs !

2007-03-11 Thread Stuart Low
Heya, I believe Robert and Darren have offered sufficient explanations: You cannot be assured of committed data unless you've sync'd it. You are only risking data loss if your users and/or applications assume data is committed without seeing a completed sync, which would be a design error.