Re: [zfs-discuss] Changing casesensitivity for existing filesystems?

2008-12-11 Thread Tim Haley
Nicolas Williams wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 11:13:21AM -0800, Jay Anderson wrote: The casesensitivity option is just like utf8only and normalization, it can only be set at creation time. The result from attempting to change it on an existing filesystem: # zfs set

Re: [zfs-discuss] cp: Operation not supported

2008-12-11 Thread Tim Haley
Kristof Van Damme wrote: Hi Tim, Thanks for having a look. The 'utf8only' setting is set to off. Important bit of additional information: We only seem to have this problem when copying to a zfs filesystem with the casesensitivity=mixed property. We need this because the filesystem will

Re: [zfs-discuss] cannot mount ZFS volume

2008-12-11 Thread John Smith
Ahhh...I missed the difference between a volume and a FS. That was it...thanks. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] cp: Operation not supported

2008-12-11 Thread Kristof Van Damme
Hi Tim, That's splendid! In case other people want to reproduce the issue themselves, here is how. In attach is a tar which contains the 2 files (UTF8 and ISO8859) like the ones I used in my first post to demonstrate the problem. Here are the instructions to reproduce the issue: Create a zfs

Re: [zfs-discuss] Changing casesensitivity for existing filesystems?

2008-12-11 Thread Jay Anderson
I would think only the casesensitivity=mixed should have to be set at creation time, that casesensitivity=insensitive could be set at any time. Hmmm. We don't allow this for a couple of reasons. If the file system was case-sensitive or mixed and you suddenly make it insensitive,

Re: [zfs-discuss] cp: Operation not supported

2008-12-11 Thread Tim Haley
Kristof Van Damme wrote: Hi Tim, That's splendid! In case other people want to reproduce the issue themselves, here is how. In attach is a tar which contains the 2 files (UTF8 and ISO8859) like the ones I used in my first post to demonstrate the problem. Here are the instructions to

[zfs-discuss] ZFSAgent

2008-12-11 Thread Werner Donné
Hi, ZFSAgent is a small JMX agent for ZFS. It is free and you can find it at http://www.re.be/zfsagent/. Best regards, Werner. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Split responsibility for data with ZFS

2008-12-11 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 10 Dec 2008, Anton B. Rang wrote: It sounds like you have access to a source of information that the rest of us don't have access to. I think if you read the archives of this mailing list, and compare it to the discussions on the other Solaris mailing lists re UFS, it's a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Split responsibility for data with ZFS

2008-12-11 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Anton, Thursday, December 11, 2008, 4:17:15 AM, you wrote: It sounds like you have access to a source of information that the rest of us don't have access to. ABR I think if you read the archives of this mailing list, and ABR compare it to the discussions on the other Solaris mailing

[zfs-discuss] To separate /var or not separate /var, that is the question....

2008-12-11 Thread Vincent Fox
Whether tis nobler. Just wondering if (excepting the existing zones thread) there are any compelling arguments to keep /var as it's own filesystem for your typical Solaris server. Web servers and the like. Or arguments against it. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

[zfs-discuss] Easiest way to replace a boot disk with a larger one?

2008-12-11 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
Maybe this has been discussed before, but I haven't been able to find any relevant threads. I have a simple OpenSolaris 2008.11 setup with one ZFS pool consisting of the whole of the single hard drive on the system. What I want to do is to replace the present 500 GB drive with a 1.5 TB drive.

Re: [zfs-discuss] To separate /var or not separate /var, that is the question....

2008-12-11 Thread Marion Hakanson
vincent_b_...@yahoo.com said: Just wondering if (excepting the existing zones thread) there are any compelling arguments to keep /var as it's own filesystem for your typical Solaris server. Web servers and the like. Well, it's been considered a best practice for servers for a lot of years to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Incremental stream panics system

2008-12-11 Thread Ian Collins
Richard Elling wrote: Please file a bug. I have. -- richard Ian Collins wrote: A while back I started a thread Possible ZFS panic on Solaris 10 Update 6 and it now turns out the cause is one incremental stream. Sending this stream to an x86 system running Solaris 10 Update 6 or SXCE

Re: [zfs-discuss] To separate /var or not separate /var, that is the question....

2008-12-11 Thread Richard Elling
Vincent Fox wrote: Whether tis nobler. Just wondering if (excepting the existing zones thread) there are any compelling arguments to keep /var as it's own filesystem for your typical Solaris server. Web servers and the like. IMHO, the *only* good reason to create a new file system

Re: [zfs-discuss] To separate /var or not separate /var, that is the question....

2008-12-11 Thread Enda O'Connor
Vincent Fox wrote: Whether tis nobler. Just wondering if (excepting the existing zones thread) there are any compelling arguments to keep /var as it's own filesystem for your typical Solaris server. Web servers and the like. Or arguments against with zfs it's easy to set quotas so

Re: [zfs-discuss] To separate /var or not separate /var, that is the question....

2008-12-11 Thread Ian Collins
Marion Hakanson wrote: Personally, I'd like to place a limit on /var/core/; That's the only consistent out of disk space cause I've seen on our Solaris-10 systems, and that happens whether /var/ is separate or not. Maybe /var/crash/ as well. You can specify the volsize on /rpool/dump

Re: [zfs-discuss] To separate /var or not separate /var, that is the question....

2008-12-11 Thread Vincent Fox
It just seems like in a typical ZFS root install the need for a separate /var is difficult for me to justify now. By default there are no quotas or reservations set on /var. Okay I set them. I have a monitoring system able to tell me when disks are getting full. It seems easier to say just

Re: [zfs-discuss] Easiest way to replace a boot disk with a larger one?

2008-12-11 Thread Tim
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Alex Viskovatoff aufgeho...@imap.ccwrote: Maybe this has been discussed before, but I haven't been able to find any relevant threads. I have a simple OpenSolaris 2008.11 setup with one ZFS pool consisting of the whole of the single hard drive on the system.

Re: [zfs-discuss] To separate /var or not separate /var, that is the question....

2008-12-11 Thread Miles Nordin
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Re: [zfs-discuss] To separate /var or not separate /var, that is the question....

2008-12-11 Thread Ian Collins
Miles Nordin wrote: ic == Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com writes: Personally, I'd like to place a limit on /var/core/; ic You can specify the volsize on /rpool/dump on a zfs boot ic system. so what? so you can truncate each core dump to make it useless before

Re: [zfs-discuss] Easiest way to replace a boot disk with a larger one?

2008-12-11 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
Thanks, that's what I thought. Just wanted to make sure. I guess the writers of the documentation think that this is so obviously the way things would work in a well designed system that there is no reason to mention it explicitly. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs is a co-dependent parent and won't let

2008-12-11 Thread Evan J. Layton
Kyle McDonald wrote: Tim Haley wrote: Ross wrote: While it's good that this is at least possible, that looks horribly complicated to me. Does anybody know if there's any work being done on making it easy to remove obsolete boot environments? If the clones were

Re: [zfs-discuss] Easiest way to replace a boot disk with a larger one?

2008-12-11 Thread Cindy . Swearingen
Hi Alex, Not exactly. Just hadn't thought of that specific example yet, but its a good one so I'll add it. In your case, ZFS might not see the expanded capacity of the larger disk automatically due to a recent bug. For non-root pools, the workaround to see the expanded space is to export and

Re: [zfs-discuss] Easiest way to replace a boot disk with a larger one?

2008-12-11 Thread Alex Viskovatoff
Hi Cindy, Thanks for clearing that up. I don't mind rebooting, just as long as that makes the zpool use the additional space. I did read about the export/import workaround, but wasn't sure if rebooting would have the same effect. The ZFS documentation convinced me to set up a mirrored pool,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Split responsibility for data with ZFS

2008-12-11 Thread Toby Thain
On 11-Dec-08, at 12:28 PM, Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Anton, Thursday, December 11, 2008, 4:17:15 AM, you wrote: It sounds like you have access to a source of information that the rest of us don't have access to. ABR I think if you read the archives of this mailing list, and ABR

Re: [zfs-discuss] Problem with ZFS and ACL with GDM

2008-12-11 Thread Brian Cameron
Mark Others: I think you may have misunderstood what people were suggesting. They weren't suggesting changing the mode of the file, but using chmod(1M) to add/modify ZFS ACLs on the device file. chmod A+user:gdm:rwx:allow file See chmod(1M) or the zfs admin guide for ZFS ACL

Re: [zfs-discuss] Problem with ZFS and ACL with GDM

2008-12-11 Thread Mark Shellenbaum
Brian Cameron wrote: Mark Others: I think you may have misunderstood what people were suggesting. They weren't suggesting changing the mode of the file, but using chmod(1M) to add/modify ZFS ACLs on the device file. chmod A+user:gdm:rwx:allow file See chmod(1M) or the zfs admin guide

Re: [zfs-discuss] Problem with ZFS and ACL with GDM

2008-12-11 Thread Brian Cameron
Mark: You could call acl(2) directly, but you would have to construct a complete ACL to set. It would be easier to use acl_get() and acl_set() which understand the various ACL flavors and will call the syscall with correct ACL flavor arguments. Unfortunately, what you are wanting to do

Re: [zfs-discuss] Problem with ZFS and ACL with GDM

2008-12-11 Thread Mark Shellenbaum
You should probably make sure that you just don't keep continually adding the same entry over and over again to the ACL. With NFSv4 ACLs you can insert the same entry multiple times and if you keep doing it long enough you will eventually get an error back when you reach the ACE limit on

Re: [zfs-discuss] Problem with ZFS and ACL with GDM

2008-12-11 Thread Mark Shellenbaum
Mark Shellenbaum wrote: You should probably make sure that you just don't keep continually adding the same entry over and over again to the ACL. With NFSv4 ACLs you can insert the same entry multiple times and if you keep doing it long enough you will eventually get an error back when you

Re: [zfs-discuss] Problem with ZFS and ACL with GDM

2008-12-11 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 04:46:33PM -0700, Mark Shellenbaum wrote: Mark Shellenbaum wrote: You should probably make sure that you just don't keep continually adding the same entry over and over again to the ACL. With NFSv4 ACLs you can insert the same entry multiple times and if you keep

Re: [zfs-discuss] To separate /var or not separate /var, that is the question....

2008-12-11 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello, Slightly off-topic, but only slightly. With ZFS I tend to configure /var/cores as a separate zfs file system with a quota set on it + coreadm configured that way so all cores go to /var/cores. This is especially useful with in-house applications running on servers. -- Best regards,

Re: [zfs-discuss] To separate /var or not separate /var, that is the question....

2008-12-11 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Fri, Dec 12, 2008 at 12:04:39AM +, Robert Milkowski wrote: Slightly off-topic, but only slightly. With ZFS I tend to configure /var/cores as a separate zfs file system with a quota set on it + coreadm configured that way so all cores go to /var/cores. This is especially useful with

Re: [zfs-discuss] To separate /var or not separate /var, that is the question....

2008-12-11 Thread Richard Elling
Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello, Slightly off-topic, but only slightly. With ZFS I tend to configure /var/cores as a separate zfs file system with a quota set on it + coreadm configured that way so all cores go to /var/cores. While this might cause some issues with programs that expect or

[zfs-discuss] ZFS Installation Question

2008-12-11 Thread Michael Barto
New to this list and I have simple question. It states in the Solaris ZFS Admin Guide "You cannot use the standard upgrade program to upgrade your UFS root file system to a ZFS root file system. If at least one bootable UFS slice exists, then the standard upgrade option should be

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Installation Question

2008-12-11 Thread Ian Collins
On Fri 12/12/08 14:51 , Michael Barto mba...@logiqwest.com sent: I am probably being paranoid, but there is always an upgrade option using the Solaris CDROM image to install software. It appears this note in only for Jumpstart and Live Upgrade. So when Sun release the next Solaris release, I

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs not yet suitable for HA applications?

2008-12-11 Thread Al Tobey
I compiled just the iscsi initiator this evening and remembered this thread, so here are the simple instructions. This is not the right way to do it. It's just the easiest. I should (and probably will) use a Makefile for this, but for now, this works and I've been able to tweak some of

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Installation Question

2008-12-11 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Michael, Sure. You can use Solaris 10 10/08 to initially install a ZFS root file system as long as you're not interested in migrating a UFS root file system to a ZFS root file system. But if you want to migrate your existing UFS root file system to a ZFS root file system, then you must perform

Re: [zfs-discuss] Split responsibility for data with ZFS

2008-12-11 Thread Gary Mills
On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:58:48PM -0800, Richard Elling wrote: Nicolas Williams wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 01:30:30PM -0600, Nicolas Williams wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:46:40PM -0600, Gary Mills wrote: On the server, a variety of filesystems can be created on this virtual

Re: [zfs-discuss] Split responsibility for data with ZFS

2008-12-11 Thread Ian Collins
Gary Mills wrote: The split responsibility model is quite appealing. I'd like to see ZFS address this model. Is there not a way that ZFS could delegate responsibility for both error detection and correction to the storage device, at least one more sophisticated than a physical disk?

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs not yet suitable for HA applications?

2008-12-11 Thread Al Tobey
Ok. I figured out how to basically backport snv104's iscsi initiator (version 1.55 versus snv101b's 1.54) into snv101b. Set everything up as in my previous post then create a new C file: cat gt; boot_sym.c lt;lt;EOF #include sys/bootprops.h /* * Global iscsi boot prop */ ib_boot_prop_t

Re: [zfs-discuss] Split responsibility for data with ZFS

2008-12-11 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Thu, 11 Dec 2008, Gary Mills wrote: The split responsibility model is quite appealing. I'd like to see ZFS address this model. Is there not a way that ZFS could delegate responsibility for both error detection and correction to the storage device, at least one more sophisticated than a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Split responsibility for data with ZFS

2008-12-11 Thread Richard Elling
Gary Mills wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:58:48PM -0800, Richard Elling wrote: Nicolas Williams wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 01:30:30PM -0600, Nicolas Williams wrote: On Wed, Dec 10, 2008 at 12:46:40PM -0600, Gary Mills wrote: On the server, a variety

Re: [zfs-discuss] Split responsibility for data with ZFS

2008-12-11 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Thu, Dec 11, 2008 at 09:54:36PM -0800, Richard Elling wrote: I'm not really sure what you mean by split responsibility model. I think you will find that previous designs have more (blind?) trust in the underlying infrastructure. ZFS is designed to trust, but verify. I think he means ZFS w/