Re: [zfs-discuss] grrr, How to get rid of mis-touched file named `-c'

2011-11-26 Thread Harry Putnam
[...] Harry wrote:  rm \-c  rm: illegal option -- c  usage: rm [-fiRr] file ... Ditto for:  [\-]c  '-c'  *c  '-'c  \075c OK, I'm out of escapes.  or other tricks... other than using emacs but I haven't installed emacs as yet. I can just ignore them of course, until such time as I

[zfs-discuss] grrr, How to get rid of mis-touched file named `-c'

2011-11-23 Thread Harry Putnam
Somehow I touched some rather peculiar file names in ~. Experimenting with something I've now forgotten I guess. Anyway I now have 3 zero length files with names -O, -c, -k. I've tried as many styles of escaping as I could come up with but all are rejected like this: rm \-c rm: illegal

Re: [zfs-discuss] about btrfs and zfs

2011-10-18 Thread Harry Putnam
Edward Ned Harvey opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensola...@nedharvey.com writes: I recently put my first btrfs system into production. Here are the similarities/differences I noticed different between btrfs and zfs: Great input.. thanks for the details.

Re: [zfs-discuss] about btrfs and zfs

2011-10-18 Thread Harry Putnam
Gregory Shaw greg.s...@oracle.com writes: I looked into btrfs some time ago for the same reasons. I had a Linux system that I wanted to do more intelligent things with storage. Great details, thanks. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

[zfs-discuss] about btrfs and zfs

2011-10-17 Thread Harry Putnam
This subject may have been ridden to death... I missed it if so. Not wanting to start a flame fest or whatever but As a common slob who isn't very skilled, I like to see some commentary from some of the pros here as to any comparison of zfs against btrfs. I realize btrfs is a lot less

Re: [zfs-discuss] about btrfs and zfs

2011-10-17 Thread Harry Putnam
Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com writes: If you only want RAID0 or RAID1, then btrfs is okay. There's no support for RAID5+ as yet, and it's been in development for a couple of years now. [...] snipped excellent information Thanks much, I've very appreciative of the good information. Much

[zfs-discuss] about leaving zpools exported for future use

2011-07-03 Thread Harry Putnam
I've posted this some time ago but lost track of the subject line and answers. My zfs machine has croaked to the point that it just quits after some 10 15 minutes of uptime. No interesting logs or messages what so ever. At least not that I've found. It just quietly quits. I'm not interested

[zfs-discuss] compare snapshot to current zfs fs

2011-06-04 Thread Harry Putnam
I have a sneaking feeling I'm missing something really obvious. If you have zfs fs that see little use and have lost track of whether changes may have occurred since last snapshot, is there some handy way to determine if a snapshot matches its filesystem. Or put another way, some way to

Re: [zfs-discuss] compare snapshot to current zfs fs

2011-06-04 Thread Harry Putnam
Andrew Gabriel andrew.gabr...@oracle.com writes: Harry Putnam wrote: I have a sneaking feeling I'm missing something really obvious. If you have zfs fs that see little use and have lost track of whether changes may have occurred since last snapshot, is there some handy way to determine

Re: [zfs-discuss] vidoe files residing on zfs used from cifs fail to work

2010-11-22 Thread Harry Putnam
for the input. Harry wrote: On 11/21/10 Nov 21, 8:43 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: When *.mov file reside on a windows host, and assuming your browser has the right plugins, you can open them with either quicktime player or firefox (which also uses the quicktime player). But I find

[zfs-discuss] vidoe files residing on zfs used from cifs fail to work

2010-11-21 Thread Harry Putnam
I find that at least some kinds of video files when accessed on zfs server from windows machines will not work. In particular that seems to hold for quicktime files. When *.mov file reside on a windows host, and assuming your browser has the right plugins, you can open them with either quicktime

[zfs-discuss] hardware going bad

2010-10-27 Thread Harry Putnam
It seems my hardware is getting bad, and I can't keep the os running for more than a few minutes until the machine shuts down. It will run 15 or 20 minutes and then shutdown I haven't found the exact reason for it. Or really any thing in logs that seems like a reason. It may be because I don't

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware going bad

2010-10-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Toby Thain t...@telegraphics.com.au writes: On 27/10/10 3:14 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: It seems my hardware is getting bad, and I can't keep the os running for more than a few minutes until the machine shuts down. It will run 15 or 20 minutes and then shutdown I haven't found the exact

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware going bad

2010-10-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Krunal Desai mov...@gmail.com writes: I believe he meant a memory stress test, i.e. booting with a memtest86+ CD and seeing if it passed. Even if the memory is OK, the stress from that test may expose defects in the power supply or other components. Your CPU temperature is 56C, which is not

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware going bad

2010-10-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Toby Thain t...@telegraphics.com.au writes: On 27/10/10 4:21 PM, Krunal Desai wrote: I believe he meant a memory stress test, i.e. booting with a memtest86+ CD and seeing if it passed. Correct. The POST tests are not adequate. Got it. Thank you. Short of doing such a test, I have

[zfs-discuss] Jumping ship.. what of the data

2010-10-27 Thread Harry Putnam
If I were to decide my current setup is too problem beset to continue using it, is there a guide or some good advice I might employ to scrap it out and build something newer and better in the old roomy midtower? I don't mean the hardware part, although I no doubt will need advice right through

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware going bad

2010-10-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Krunal Desai mov...@gmail.com writes: With an A64, I think a thermal shutdown would instantly halt CPU execution, removing the chance to write any kind of log message. memtest will report any errors in RAM; perhaps when the ARC expands to the upper-stick of memory it hits the bad bytes and

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware going bad

2010-10-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Peter Jeremy peter.jer...@alcatel-lucent.com writes: It seems there ought to be something, some kind of evidence and clues if I only knew how to look for them, in the logs. Serious hardware problems are unlikely to be in the logs because the system will die before it can write the error to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Jumping ship.. what of the data

2010-10-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Peter Jeremy peter.jer...@alcatel-lucent.com writes: See the archives for lots more discussion on suggested systems for ZFS. Any suggested search stings? Maybe at search.gmane.org It would be too lucky to expect someone has a list of some good (up to date) setups a home NAS fellow could be

Re: [zfs-discuss] hardware going bad

2010-10-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Mike Gerdts mger...@gmail.com writes: [...] Thanks for suggestions and I have closed it all up to see if there was a difference. Perhaps this belongs somewhere other than zfs-discuss - it has nothing to do with zfs. Yes... it does, It started out much nearer to belonging here. Not sure now

Re: [zfs-discuss] When `zpool status' reports bad news

2010-10-23 Thread Harry Putnam
Cindy Swearingen cindy.swearin...@oracle.com writes: Hi Harry, Generally, you need to use zpool clear to clear the pool errors, but I can't reproduce the removed files reappearing in zpool status on my own system when I corrupt data so I'm not sure this will help. Some other larger problem

Re: [zfs-discuss] When `zpool status' reports bad news

2010-10-21 Thread Harry Putnam
Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com writes: On 10/21/10 03:47 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: build 133 zpool version 22 I'm getting: zpool status: NAMESTATE READ WRITE CKSUM z3 DEGRADED 0 0 167 mirror-0 DEGRADED 0 0 334

[zfs-discuss] When `zpool status' reports bad news

2010-10-20 Thread Harry Putnam
build 133 zpool version 22 I'm getting: zpool status: NAMESTATE READ WRITE CKSUM z3 DEGRADED 0 0 167 mirror-0 DEGRADED 0 0 334 c5d0DEGRADED 0 0 335 too many errors c6d0DEGRADED 0

Re: [zfs-discuss] Moving camp, lock stock and barrel

2010-10-11 Thread Harry Putnam
Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com writes: [...] I'm kind of having a brain freeze about this: So what are the standard tests or cmds to run to collect enough data to try to make a determination of what the problem is? Your motherboard manual would be the best place to look, it sounds like

Re: [zfs-discuss] Moving camp, lock stock and barrel

2010-10-11 Thread Harry Putnam
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: [...] I can't get X up ... it just went to a black screen, after seeing the main login screen, logging in to consol and calling: WHOOPS, omitted some information here... Calling: `startx /usr/bin/dbus-launch --exit-with-session gnome-session' from

[zfs-discuss] Moving camp, lock stock and barrel

2010-10-10 Thread Harry Putnam
Osol b134 I'm experiencing a forced shutdown of a machine. It is proceeded with a number of beeps in a steady pattern like beep beep beep beep beep beep And onward. 2 beeps pause 2 beeps pause... etc. The beeps are the same tone on each set of beeps but each

Re: [zfs-discuss] nfs share of nested zfs directories?

2010-06-03 Thread Harry Putnam
Cassandra Pugh cp...@pppl.gov writes: I am trying to set this up as an automount. Currently I am trying to set mounts for each area, but I have a lot to mount. When I run showmount -e nfs_server I do see all of the shared directories. I ran into this same problem some mnths ago... I can't

Re: [zfs-discuss] Large size variations - what is canonical method

2010-04-20 Thread Harry Putnam
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: I'm seeing a really big (to big to be excused lightly) difference with the 2 zfs native methods zpool and rpool Typo alert: The above line should have read: the 2 zfs native methods ZPOOL list and ZFS list compared to 2 native unix

Re: [zfs-discuss] recomend sata controller 4 Home server with zfs raidz2 and 8x1tb hd

2010-04-19 Thread Harry Putnam
Erik Trimble erik.trim...@oracle.com writes: Do you think it would be a problem having a second sata card in a PCI slot? That would be 8 sata ports in all, since the A-open AK86 motherboard has 2 built in. Or should I swap out the 2prt for the 4 prt. I really only need 2 more prts

Re: [zfs-discuss] Large size variations - what is canonical method

2010-04-19 Thread Harry Putnam
Will Murnane will.murn...@gmail.com writes: In short, there are many commands because there are many answers, and many questions. No single tool has all the information available to it. Thanks for such a complete answer... and nicely put too. ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] Large size variations - what is canonical method

2010-04-19 Thread Harry Putnam
Will Murnane will.murn...@gmail.com writes: It's important to consider what you want this data for. Considering upgrading your storage to get more room? Check out zpool list. Need to know whether accounting or engineering is using more space? Look at zfs list. Looking at a sparse or

Re: [zfs-discuss] recomend sata controller 4 Home server with zfs raidz2 and 8x1tb hd

2010-04-18 Thread Harry Putnam
Erik Trimble erik.trim...@oracle.com writes: Since we're talking about an old PCI slot here, I'd say there's really two good options: A SiliconImage Sil3114-based card, which is a 32-bit/66Mhz card, with 4 SATA-1 ports, usually for $25 A Supermicro AOC-SAT2-MV8 card, which is a

Re: [zfs-discuss] recomend sata controller 4 Home server with zfs raidz2 and 8x1tb hd

2010-04-17 Thread Harry Putnam
Tim Cook t...@cook.ms writes: On Fri, Apr 16, 2010 at 7:35 PM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Eric D. Mudama edmud...@bounceswoosh.org writes: On Thu, Apr 15 at 23:57, Günther wrote: hello if you are looking for pci-e (8x), i would recommend sas/sata controller with lsi 1068E

Re: [zfs-discuss] recomend sata controller 4 Home server with zfs raidz2 and 8x1tb hd

2010-04-16 Thread Harry Putnam
Eric D. Mudama edmud...@bounceswoosh.org writes: On Thu, Apr 15 at 23:57, Günther wrote: hello if you are looking for pci-e (8x), i would recommend sas/sata controller with lsi 1068E sas chip. they are nearly perfect with opensolaris. For just a bit more, you can get the LSI SAS 9211-9i card

Re: [zfs-discuss] Create 1 pool from 3 exising pools in mirror configuration

2010-04-13 Thread Harry Putnam
Brandon High bh...@freaks.com writes: [...] Harry wrote: So having some data on rpool (besides the OS I mean) is not necessarily a bad thing then? Daniel C answered: Not at all; laptops would be screwed otherwise. Brandon H. responded: The pool will resilver faster if it's got less data

Re: [zfs-discuss] Create 1 pool from 3 exising pools in mirror configuration

2010-04-12 Thread Harry Putnam
Daniel Carosone d...@geek.com.au writes: For Harry's benefit, the recipe we're talking about here is roughly as follows. Your pools z2 and z3, we will merge into z2. diskx and disky are the current members of z3. [...] snipped very handy outline Thank you. That kind of walk through is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Create 1 pool from 3 exising pools in mirror configuration

2010-04-12 Thread Harry Putnam
Brandon High bh...@freaks.com writes: On Mon, Apr 12, 2010 at 7:38 AM, Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: But as someone suggested it might be better to get two more bigger drives.  1t or 1.5t would handle all my data on one pair. Then I guess after moving all the data to a single zpool

Re: [zfs-discuss] Create 1 pool from 3 exising pools in mirror configuration

2010-04-12 Thread Harry Putnam
Daniel Carosone d...@geek.com.au writes: [...] snipped welcome info... thanks. Oh, another thing, just to make sure before you start, since this is evidently older hardware: are you running a 32-bit or 64-bit kernel? The 32-bit kernel won't use drives larger than 1TB. Its an athlon64 so I'm

Re: [zfs-discuss] about backup and mirrored pools

2010-04-10 Thread Harry Putnam
David Dyer-Bennet d...@dd-b.net writes: [...] Am I way wrong on this, and further I'm curious if it would make more versatile use of the space if I were to put the mirrored pairs into one big pool containing 3 mirrored pairs (6 discs) Well, my own thinking doesn't consider that adequate for

Re: [zfs-discuss] about backup and mirrored pools

2010-04-10 Thread Harry Putnam
Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us writes: On Fri, 9 Apr 2010, Harry Putnam wrote: Am I way wrong on this, and further I'm curious if it would make more versatile use of the space if I were to put the mirrored pairs into one big pool containing 3 mirrored pairs (6 discs) Besides

Re: [zfs-discuss] about backup and mirrored pools

2010-04-10 Thread Harry Putnam
Richard Jahnel rich...@ellipseinc.com writes: [...] Perhaps mirrored sets with daily snapshots and a knowedge of how to mount snapshots as clones so that you can pull a copy of that file you deleted 3 days ago. :) I've been doing that with the default auto snapshot setup, but hadn't noticed

Re: [zfs-discuss] about backup and mirrored pools

2010-04-10 Thread Harry Putnam
Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us writes: On Sat, 10 Apr 2010, Harry Putnam wrote: Am I way wrong on this, and further I'm curious if it would make more versatile use of the space if I were to put the mirrored pairs into one big pool containing 3 mirrored pairs (6 discs) Besides

Re: [zfs-discuss] Create 1 pool from 3 exising pools in mirror configuration

2010-04-10 Thread Harry Putnam
Daniel Carosone d...@geek.com.au writes: Thanks for the input.. very helpful. [...] No, as above. You might consider new disks for a new rpool (say, ssd with some zil or l2arc) and reusing the current disks for data if they're the same as the other data disks. Would you mind expanding the

[zfs-discuss] about backup and mirrored pools

2010-04-09 Thread Harry Putnam
When I started using zfs a while back, I got the impression that setting my home server up with mirror sets rather than some kind of zraid would offer the most reliable setup for my data. My data is just what you'd expect on a home lan... no real commercial value involved. I've since created 2

Re: [zfs-discuss] sharenfs option rw,root=host1 don't take effect

2010-04-08 Thread Harry Putnam
mingli liming...@gmail.com writes: Thank Erik, and I will try it, but the new question is that the root of the NFS server mapped as nobody at the NFS client. For this issue, I set up a new test NFS server and NFS client, and with the same option, at this test environment, the file owner

[zfs-discuss] [basic hdw] sata devices and newer 3gb sata spec

2010-04-01 Thread Harry Putnam
Hoping to hear from someone who has similar equipment: athlon64 3400+ - abit motherboard (unknown model) The mobo has 2 built in sata controllers, probably the older 1.5 gb kind. And a pci adaptic 1205a (two sata ports [internal], also 1.5 gb) I want to install a different pci sata controller

Re: [zfs-discuss] What about this status report

2010-03-29 Thread Harry Putnam
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: Ethan notet...@gmail.com writes: Assuming your drives support SMART, I'd install smartmontools and see if there are any SMART errors on the drive. While the absence of SMART errors [...] I've had trouble getting smartmontools to work with some of my

Re: [zfs-discuss] What about this status report

2010-03-29 Thread Harry Putnam
Just to apologize This not only sounds lame but IS pretty lame. Somehow in reading the output of `zpool status POOL', I just blew right by the URL included there: http://www.sun.com/msg/ZFS-8000-9P Which has quite a decent discussion of what it means.

Re: [zfs-discuss] What about this status report

2010-03-28 Thread Harry Putnam
Ethan notet...@gmail.com writes: Assuming your drives support SMART, I'd install smartmontools and see if there are any SMART errors on the drive. While the absence of SMART errors [...] I've had trouble getting smartmontools to work with some of my controllers/drives in opensolaris, and

[zfs-discuss] What about this status report

2010-03-27 Thread Harry Putnam
What to do with a status report like the one included below? What does it mean to have an unrecoverable error but no data errors? Is it just a matter of `clearing' this device? But what would have prompted such a report then? Also note the numeral 7 in the CKSUM column for device c3d1s0.

Re: [zfs-discuss] What about this status report

2010-03-27 Thread Harry Putnam
Bob Friesenhahn bfrie...@simple.dallas.tx.us writes: On Sat, 27 Mar 2010, Harry Putnam wrote: What to do with a status report like the one included below? What does it mean to have an unrecoverable error but no data errors? I think that this summary means that the zfs scrub did

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-25 Thread Harry Putnam
Christine Tran christine.t...@gmail.com writes: OOps, I may have looked at the wrong bart. I think he meant this BART: http://blogs.sun.com/gbrunett/entry/automating_solaris_10_file_integrity I'm going to make one quick comment about this, despite better judgment to probably keep quiet. I

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-24 Thread Harry Putnam
Brandon High bh...@freaks.com writes: Someone pointed out that you can use bart, but that also scans the directories. It might do what you want, but it doesn't work at the zpool / zfs level, just at the file level layer. Apparently I missed any suggestion about bart, but looking it up just

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-24 Thread Harry Putnam
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: At just a quick read, it really just sounds like rsync, after its been in a severe wreck and was badly crippled. OOps, I may have looked at the wrong bart. One of the first hits google turned up was: http://www.zhornsoftware.co.uk/bart/index.html

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-23 Thread Harry Putnam
Matt Cowger mcow...@salesforce.com writes: zfs list | grep '@' zpool/f...@1154758324G - 461G - zpool/f...@1208482 6.94G - 338G - zpool/f...@daily.netbackup 1.07G - 344G - zpool/f...@1154758

[zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-22 Thread Harry Putnam
This may be a bit dimwitted since I don't really understand how snapshots work. I mean the part concerning COW (copy on right) and how it takes so little room. But here I'm not asking about that. It appears to me that the default snapshot setup shares some aspects of a vcs (version control

Re: [zfs-discuss] snapshots as versioning tool

2010-03-22 Thread Harry Putnam
Matt Cowger mcow...@salesforce.com writes: This is totally doable, and a reasonable use of zfs snapshots - we do some similar things. Good, thanks for the input. You can easily determine if the snapshot has changed by checking the output of zfs list for the snapshot. Do you mean to just

Re: [zfs-discuss] . . formatted using older on-disk format . .

2010-03-11 Thread Harry Putnam
Erik Trimble erik.trim...@sun.com writes: [...] The Warning only applies to this circumstance: if you've upgraded from an older build, then upgrading the zpool /may/ mean that you will NOT be able to reboot to the OLDER build and still read the now-upgraded zpool. Lots of good details

Re: [zfs-discuss] what to do when errors occur during scrub

2010-03-10 Thread Harry Putnam
David Dyer-Bennet d...@dd-b.net writes: On 3/9/2010 4:57 PM, Harry Putnam wrote: Also - it appears `zpool scrub -s z3' doesn't really do anything. The status report above is taken immediately after a scrub command. The `scub -s' command just returns the prompt... no output and apparently

Re: [zfs-discuss] sharenfs option rw,root=host1 don't take effect

2010-03-10 Thread Harry Putnam
Andrew Daugherity adaugher...@tamu.edu writes: And I update the sharenfs option with rw,ro...@100.198.100.0/24, it works fine, and the NFS client can do the write without error. Thanks. I've found that when using hostnames in the sharenfs line, I had to use the FQDN; the short hostname

[zfs-discuss] . . formatted using older on-disk format . .

2010-03-10 Thread Harry Putnam
Running b133 When you see this line in a `zpool status' report: status: The pool is formatted using an older on-disk format. The pool can still be used, but some features are unavailable. Is it safe and effective to heed the advice given in next line: action: Upgrade the pool

[zfs-discuss] what to do when errors occur during scrub

2010-03-09 Thread Harry Putnam
[I hope this isn't a repost double whammy. I posted this message under `Message-ID: 87fx4ai5sp@newsguy.com' over 15 hrs ago but it never appeared on my nntp server (gmane) far as I can see] I'm a little at a loss here as to what to do about these two errors that turned up during a scrub.

[zfs-discuss] what to do when errors occur during scrub

2010-03-09 Thread Harry Putnam
I'm a little at a loss here as to what to do about these two errors that turned up during a scrub. The discs involved are a matched pair in mirror mode. zpool status -v z3 (wrapped for mail): ---- ---=--- - scrub: scrub completed after

[zfs-discuss] about zfs exported on nfs

2010-03-09 Thread Harry Putnam
[First, a brief apology. I inadvertently posted this message to the `general' group when it should have been to the `zfs' group. In that last few days I seem to be all thumbs when posting.. and have created several bumbling posts to opensolaris lists. ] summary: A zfs fs set with smb and nfs

Re: [zfs-discuss] what to do when errors occur during scrub

2010-03-09 Thread Harry Putnam
Cindy Swearingen cindy.swearin...@sun.com writes: Hi Harry, Reviewing other postings where permanent errors where found on redundant ZFS configs, one was resolved by re-running the zpool scrub and one resolved itself because the files with the permanent errors were most likely temporary

Re: [zfs-discuss] More performance questions [on zfs over nfs]

2010-02-23 Thread Harry Putnam
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: [Note: This is a repost of question posted about 1.5 days ago that has never appeared on the group.. at least not on my server (gmane). Sorry if it ends up being a double whammy] Apparently I missed two informative answers by: Henrik J. Bob F. Thanks

[zfs-discuss] More performance questions [on zfs over nfs]

2010-02-22 Thread Harry Putnam
[Note: This is a repost of question posted about 1.5 days ago that has never appeared on the group.. at least not on my server (gmane). Sorry if it ends up being a double whammy] Working from a remote linux machine on a zfs fs that is an nfs mounted share (set for nfs availability on zfs server,

[zfs-discuss] More performance questions [on zfs over nfs]

2010-02-21 Thread Harry Putnam
Working from a remote linux machine on a zfs fs that is an nfs mounted share (set for nfs availability on zfs server, mounted nfs on linux); I've been noticing a certain kind of sloth when messing with files. What I see: After writing a file it seems to take the fs too long to be able to

[zfs-discuss] rule of thumb for scrub

2010-02-19 Thread Harry Putnam
I think I asked this before but apparently have lost track of the answers I got. I'm wanting a general rule of thumb for how often to `scrub'. My setup is a home NAS and general zfs server so it does not see heavy use. I'm up to build 129 and do update fairly often, just the last few builds

[zfs-discuss] Not a tragedy just a question

2009-10-15 Thread Harry Putnam
I've been running mirrored disks on several pairs of disks. Mostly on the advice of old timers here. I wondered if I were to do something like `rm -rf /$SomeUnexpectedlyEmptyVar' flattening and removing `/', would I be able to retrieve it from the mirror? I know about snapshots etc... but

[zfs-discuss] Keep track of meta data on each zfs

2009-10-10 Thread Harry Putnam
As just a home tinkerer with small needs... I've already run into situations where I've created a zfs fs for some purpose... and mnths later forgotten what it was for or supposed to do or hold. I may recognize the files and directories... but have forgotten why its in this particular fs as

Re: [zfs-discuss] notations on zpools

2009-10-07 Thread Harry Putnam
David Dyer-Bennet d...@dd-b.net writes: On Tue, October 6, 2009 19:02, Harry Putnam wrote: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: [...] Trying my best shot...: zfs set use:use to mirror rhosts public_html z3 Egad the `=' somehow went right past me Sorry for the line noise. Glad I

[zfs-discuss] notations on zpools

2009-10-06 Thread Harry Putnam
I'm guessing there is some mechanism for this and I'm just slow on picking up on it... is there a way to make annotations about a zpools structure or intended use .. that sort of stuff... that shows up in `zfs list' or some other command? I guess the next step would be a way to show all

Re: [zfs-discuss] notations on zpools

2009-10-06 Thread Harry Putnam
Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com writes: On Oct 6, 2009, at 11:58 AM, Harry Putnam wrote: I'm guessing there is some mechanism for this and I'm just slow on picking up on it... is there a way to make annotations about a zpools structure or intended use .. that sort of stuff

Re: [zfs-discuss] notations on zpools

2009-10-06 Thread Harry Putnam
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: [...] Trying my best shot...: zfs set use:use to mirror rhosts public_html z3 Egad the `=' somehow went right past me Sorry for the line noise. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http

Re: [zfs-discuss] Failure of Quicktime *.mov files after move to zfs disk

2009-08-22 Thread Harry Putnam
Scott Laird sc...@sigkill.org writes: Checksum all of the files using something like md5sum and see if they're actually identical. Then test each step of the copy and see which one is corrupting your files. On Fri, Aug 21, 2009 at 1:43 PM, Harry Putnamrea...@newsguy.com wrote: [...] I

[zfs-discuss] About snapshots auto or cron based

2009-08-22 Thread Harry Putnam
I would like some input about the use of zfs snapshot. The Auto snapshot is nice on rpool but in some of the other zfs fs I've created that kind of frequency doesn't seem necessary. However generating my own cron setup for a dozen or so fs to create snapshots, maybe only when data is

[zfs-discuss] Failure of Quicktime *.mov files after move to zfs disk

2009-08-21 Thread Harry Putnam
During the course of backup I had occassion to copy a number of quicktime video (*.mov) files to zfs server disk. Once there... navigating to them with quicktime player and opening results in a failure that (From windows Vista laptop) says: error --43: A file could not be found

Re: [zfs-discuss] first use send/receive... somewhat confused.

2009-07-13 Thread Harry Putnam
Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com writes: You can only send/receive snapshots. However, on the receiving end, there will also be a dataset of the name you choose. Since you didn't share what commands you used, it is pretty impossible for us to speculate what you might have tried. I

Re: [zfs-discuss] first use send/receive... somewhat confused.

2009-07-13 Thread Harry Putnam
Ross Walker rswwal...@gmail.com writes: Once the data is copied you can delete the snapshots that will then exist on both pools. That's the part right there that wasn't apparent. That zfs send z1/someth...@snap |zfs receive z2/someth...@snap Would also create z2/something If you have

Re: [zfs-discuss] first use send/receive... somewhat confused.

2009-07-13 Thread Harry Putnam
Dennis Clarke dcla...@blastwave.org writes: This will probably get me bombed with napalm but I often just use star from Jörg Schilling because its dead easy : star -copy -p -acl -sparse -dump -C old_dir . new_dir and you're done.[1] So long as you have both the new and the old

Re: [zfs-discuss] first use send/receive... somewhat confused.

2009-07-13 Thread Harry Putnam
joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (Joerg Schilling) writes: Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: Dennis Clarke dcla...@blastwave.org writes: This will probably get me bombed with napalm but I often just use star from Jörg Schilling because its dead easy : star -copy -p -acl

[zfs-discuss] first use send/receive... somewhat confused.

2009-07-12 Thread Harry Putnam
Reading various bits of google output about send/receive I'm starting to wonder if that process is maybe the wrong way to go at what I want to do. I have a filesystem z1/projects I want to remove it from the z1 pool and put it in a z2 pool ending up with z2/projects. With all the same data,

[zfs-discuss] getting actual size in bytes of a zfs fs

2009-07-06 Thread Harry Putnam
I think this has probably been discussed here.. but I'm getting confused about how to determine actual disk usage of zfs filesystems. Here is an example: $ du -sb callisto 46744 callisto $ du -sb callisto/.zfs/snapshot 86076 callisto/.zfs/snapshot Two questions then. I do need to add

Re: [zfs-discuss] Turn off the time slider on some zpools

2009-06-24 Thread Harry Putnam
cindy.swearin...@sun.com writes: Hi Harry, Are you attempting this change when logged in as yourself or as root? my user The top section of this procedure describes how to add yourself to zfssnap role. Otherwise, if you are doing this step as a non-root user, it probably won't work. my

[zfs-discuss] recursive snaptshot

2009-06-23 Thread Harry Putnam
I thought I recalled reading somewhere that in the situation where you have several zfs filesystems under one top level directory like this: rpool rpool/ROOT/osol-112 rpool/export rpool/export/home rpool/export/home/reader you could do a shapshot encompassing everything below zpool instead of

Re: [zfs-discuss] recursive snaptshot

2009-06-23 Thread Harry Putnam
Darren J Moffat darr...@opensolaris.org writes: Harry Putnam wrote: I thought I recalled reading somewhere that in the situation where you have several zfs filesystems under one top level directory like this: rpool rpool/ROOT/osol-112 rpool/export rpool/export/home rpool/export/home

Re: [zfs-discuss] recursive snaptshot

2009-06-23 Thread Harry Putnam
[...] Well yes actually you aren't looking for the snapshots the correct way. [...] No difference, and there is no rpool/dump rpool/export rpool/export/home rpool/export/home/reader under either snapshot... not to mention all the other

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs find list of properties per dataset

2009-06-22 Thread Harry Putnam
[...] Richard wrote: NB, the user and group quotas are stored as properties, but get all does not return them. So it is not a true statement that get all returns all of the properties. Darren M responded: There are are other hidden properties too. 'zfs get all' should be returning the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Turn off the time slider on some zpools

2009-06-22 Thread Harry Putnam
dick hoogendijk d...@nagual.nl writes: On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 09:38:18 -0500 Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com wrote: How to turn off the timeslider snapshots on certain file systems? http://wikis.sun.com/display/OpenSolarisInfo/How+to+Manage+the+Automatic+ZFS+Snapshot+Service The first steps

[zfs-discuss] zfs find list of properties per dataset

2009-06-21 Thread Harry Putnam
How can I list out all the properties available for a filesystem? Banging away in man zfs seems to be going nowhere pretty fast. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs find list of properties per dataset

2009-06-21 Thread Harry Putnam
James C. McPherson james.mcpher...@sun.com writes: [...] Is zfs get all datasetname not helping? [...] Gack... quite the reverse ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org http://mail.opensolaris.org/mailman/listinfo/zfs-discuss

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs find list of properties per dataset

2009-06-21 Thread Harry Putnam
James C. McPherson james.mcpher...@sun.com writes: your original question was somewhat vague - could you clarify what it is you need to find out? I wanted to see a list of all the properties available to zfs on a filesystem. Your answer was very helpful... thanks My quick reply may not

[zfs-discuss] Backup schemes invoving rsync Linux_rmt = Osol

2009-06-21 Thread Harry Putnam
There is a lot more about snapshots and backup schemes that I don't know than there is that I do know... My needs are pretty simple and small compared to some of the heavy users here, but I'd like to run just the rough idea by the group. One backup I need to make is from to linux online servers

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs list -t snapshots

2009-06-17 Thread Harry Putnam
cindy.swearin...@sun.com writes: [...] # zfs list -rt snapshot z3/www [...] Yeah... now were talking thanks I'm still a little curious though as to why `zfs list -t snapshot' By itself without a dataset, only lists snapshots under z3/www I understand about the `-r recursive' but

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs list -t snapshots

2009-06-17 Thread Harry Putnam
Harry Putnam rea...@newsguy.com writes: cindy.swearin...@sun.com writes: [...] # zfs list -rt snapshot z3/www [...] Yeah... now were talking thanks I'm still a little curious though as to why `zfs list -t snapshot' By itself without a dataset, only lists snapshots under z3/www

[zfs-discuss] zfs list -t snapshots

2009-06-14 Thread Harry Putnam
I've been very inactive on opensolaris for a while and have forgotten a discouraging amount of what little I knew. I want to get back using the snapshot capability of zfs and am having a time figuring out how to use zfs list -t snapshot. man zfs shows: zfs list [-rH] [-o property[,...]] [-t

[zfs-discuss] What can I do to shorten the long awkward names of snapshots?

2009-04-15 Thread Harry Putnam
How can I make zfs give some shorter kind of names to the auto snapshots it takes. I'd like to alter the date string and shorten like this: zfs-auto-snap:frequent-2009-04-15-16:30 Would become: a:freq-041509_1630 That's less than 1/2 the 40 characters the auto process generates. I find

Re: [zfs-discuss] What can I do to shorten the long awkward names of snapshots?

2009-04-15 Thread Harry Putnam
Tim Foster tim.fos...@sun.com writes: Hope this helps, Yes and a good bunch of info there... thanks. Looks way to complicated just sooth line wrapping in some circumstances. Thanks for the walk thru though. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] Data size grew.. with compression on

2009-04-10 Thread Harry Putnam
David Magda dma...@ee.ryerson.ca writes: On Apr 7, 2009, at 16:43, OpenSolaris Forums wrote: if you have a snapshot of your files and rsync the same files again, you need to use --inplace rsync option , otherwise completely new blocks will be allocated for the new files. that`s because rsync

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