Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-25 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Wed, Jun 24 at 18:43, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2009, Eric D. Mudama wrote: The main purpose for using SSDs with ZFS is to reduce latencies for synchronous writes required by network file service and databases. In the available 5 months ago category, the Intel X25-E will

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-25 Thread Nicholas Lee
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:11 AM, Eric D. Mudama edmud...@bounceswoosh.orgwrote: True. In $ per sequential GB/s, rotating rust still wins by far. However, your comment about all flash being slower than rotating at sequential writes was mistaken. Even at 10x the price, if you're working with

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-24 Thread Orvar Korvar
Hey sbreden! :o) No, I havent tried to tinker with my drives. They have been functioning all the time. I suspect (can not remember) that each SATA slot in the card has a number attached to it? Can anyone confirm this? If I am right, OpenSolaris will say something about disc 6 is broken and on

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-24 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Wed, Jun 24 at 15:38, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Wed, 24 Jun 2009, Orvar Korvar wrote: I thought of exchanging my PCI card with a PCIe card variant instead to reach higher speeds. PCI-X is legacy. The problem with PCIe cards is that soon SSD drives will be common. A ZFS raid with SSD

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-24 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Wed, 24 Jun 2009, Eric D. Mudama wrote: The main purpose for using SSDs with ZFS is to reduce latencies for synchronous writes required by network file service and databases. In the available 5 months ago category, the Intel X25-E will write sequentially at ~170MB/s according to the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-23 Thread Erik Ableson
Just a side note on the PERC labelled cards: they don't have a JBOD mode so you _have_ to use hardware RAID. This may or may not be an issue in your configuration but it does mean that moving disks between controllers is no longer possible. The only way to do a pseudo JBOD is to create

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-23 Thread Kyle McDonald
Erik Ableson wrote: Just a side note on the PERC labelled cards: they don't have a JBOD mode so you _have_ to use hardware RAID. This may or may not be an issue in your configuration but it does mean that moving disks between controllers is no longer possible. The only way to do a pseudo

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-23 Thread Erik Ableson
The problem I had was with the single raid 0 volumes (miswrote RAID 1 on the original message) This is not a straight to disk connection and you'll have problems if you ever need to move disks around or move them to another controller. I agree that the MD1000 with ZFS is a rocking,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-23 Thread Henrik Johansen
Erik Ableson wrote: The problem I had was with the single raid 0 volumes (miswrote RAID 1 on the original message) This is not a straight to disk connection and you'll have problems if you ever need to move disks around or move them to another controller. Would you mind explaining exactly

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-23 Thread James C. McPherson
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:28:08 -0700 Carson Gaspar car...@taltos.org wrote: James C. McPherson wrote: Use raidctl(1m). For fwflash(1m), this is on the future project list purely because we've got much higher priority projects on the boil - if we couldn't use raidctl(1m) this would be

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-22 Thread Carson Gaspar
James C. McPherson wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:01:31 -0700 As a member of the team which works on mpt(7d), I'm disappointed that\ you believe you need to use lsiutil to fully access all the functionality of the board. What gaps have you found in mpt(7d) and the standard OpenSolaris tools

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-22 Thread James C. McPherson
On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 01:25:54 -0700 Carson Gaspar car...@taltos.org wrote: James C. McPherson wrote: On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:01:31 -0700 As a member of the team which works on mpt(7d), I'm disappointed that\ you believe you need to use lsiutil to fully access all the functionality of

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-22 Thread Simon Breden
Also, is anybody using the AOC-USAS-L8i? If so, what's your experience of it, and identifying drives and replacing failed drives with it? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

[zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-21 Thread Simon Breden
Hi, I'm trying to find out which controller card people here recommend that can drive 8 SATA hard drives and that would work with my Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe motherboard, which has following expansion slots: 2 x PCI Express x16 slot at x16, x8 speed (PCIe) The main requirements I have are: - drive 8

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-21 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:35:50 PDT Simon Breden no-re...@opensolaris.org wrote: If anyone can throw some light on these topics, I would be pleased to hear from you. Thanks a lot. I follow this thread with much interest. Curious to see what'll come out of it. -- Dick Hoogendijk -- PGP/GnuPG

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-21 Thread Simon Breden
After checking some more sources, it seems that if I used the AOC-SAT2-MV8 with this motherboard, I would need to run it on the standard PCI slot. Here is the full listing of the motherboard's expansion slots: 2 x PCI Express x16 slot at x16, x8 speed 2 x PCI Express x1 3 x PCI 2.2

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-21 Thread Orvar Korvar
I use the AOC-SAT2-MV8 in a ordinary PCI slot. The PCI slot maxes at 150MB/sec or so. That is the fastest you will get. That card works very good with Solaris/OpenSolaris. Detects automatically, etc. Ive heard though that it does not work with hot swapping discs - avoid this. However, In a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-21 Thread roland
just a side-question: I folthis thread with much interest. what are these * for ? why is followed turned into fol* on this board? -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-21 Thread dick hoogendijk
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 14:07:49 PDT roland no-re...@opensolaris.org wrote: just a side-question: I folthis thread with much interest. what are these * for ? why is followed turned into fol* on this board? The text of my original message was: On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 06:35:50 PDT

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-21 Thread Simon Breden
Hey Kebabber, long time no hear! :) It's great to hear that you've had good experiences with the card. It's a great pity to have throughput drop from a potential 1GB/s to 150MB/s, but as most of my use of the NAS is across the network, and not local intra-NAS transfers, this should not be a

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-21 Thread Ian Collins
On Mon 22/06/09 02:07 , roland no-re...@opensolaris.org sent: just a side-question: I folthis thread with much interest. what are these * for ? why is followed turned into fol* on this board? It isn't a board, it's a mail list. All the forum does is bugger up the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-21 Thread Carson Gaspar
I'll chime in as a happy owner of the LSI SAS 3081E-R PCI-E board. It works just fine. You need to get lsiutil from the LSI web site to fully access all the functionality, and they cleverly hide the download link only under their FC HBAs on their support site, even though it works for

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-21 Thread James C. McPherson
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 19:01:31 -0700 Carson Gaspar car...@taltos.org wrote: I'll chime in as a happy owner of the LSI SAS 3081E-R PCI-E board. It works just fine. You need to get lsiutil from the LSI web site to fully access all the functionality, and they cleverly hide the download link

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-21 Thread Andre van Eyssen
On Sun, 21 Jun 2009, Carson Gaspar wrote: I'll chime in as a happy owner of the LSI SAS 3081E-R PCI-E board. It works just fine. You need to get lsiutil from the LSI web site to fully access all the functionality, and they cleverly hide the download link only under their FC HBAs on their

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-21 Thread Jorgen Lundman
I only have a 32bit PCI bus in the Intel Atom 330 board, so I have no choice than to be slower, but I can confirm that the Supermicro dac-sata-mv8 (SATA-1) card works just fine, and does display in cfgadm. (Hot-swapping is possible). I have been told aoc-sat2-mv8 does as well (SATA-II) but

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-21 Thread Erik Trimble
Jorgen Lundman wrote: I only have a 32bit PCI bus in the Intel Atom 330 board, so I have no choice than to be slower, but I can confirm that the Supermicro dac-sata-mv8 (SATA-1) card works just fine, and does display in cfgadm. (Hot-swapping is possible). I have been told aoc-sat2-mv8 does

Re: [zfs-discuss] Best controller card for 8 SATA drives ?

2009-06-21 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Mon, Jun 22 at 12:05, Andre van Eyssen wrote: I'll add another vote for the LSI products. I have a four port PCI-X card in my V880, and the performance is good and the product is well behaved. The only caveats: 1. Make sure you upgrade the firmware ASAP 2. You may need to use lsiutil to