Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320 - offtopic

2006-09-08 Thread przemolicc
On Thu, Sep 07, 2006 at 12:14:20PM -0700, Richard Elling - PAE wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the case where I don't understand Sun's politics at all: Sun doesn't offer really cheap JBOD which can be bought just for ZFS. And don't even tell me about 3310/3320 JBODs - they are horrible

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320 - offtopic

2006-09-08 Thread przemolicc
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 09:41:58AM +0100, Darren J Moffat wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Richard, when I talk about cheap JBOD I think about home users/small servers/small companies. I guess you can sell 100 X4500 and at the same time 1000 (or even more) cheap JBODs to the small companies

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320 - offtopic

2006-09-08 Thread Richard Elling - PAE
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't quite see this in my crystal ball. Rather, I see all of the SAS/SATA chipset vendors putting RAID in the chipset. Basically, you can't get a dumb interface anymore, except for fibre channel :-). In other words, if we were to design a system in a chassis with

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320 - offtopic

2006-09-08 Thread Ed Gould
On Sep 8, 2006, at 9:33, Richard Elling - PAE wrote: I was looking for a new AM2 socket motherboard a few weeks ago. All of the ones I looked at had 2xIDE and 4xSATA with onboard (SATA) RAID. All were less than $150. In other words, the days of having a JBOD-only solution are over except for

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320 - offtopic

2006-09-08 Thread Torrey McMahon
Ed Gould wrote: On Sep 8, 2006, at 9:33, Richard Elling - PAE wrote: I was looking for a new AM2 socket motherboard a few weeks ago. All of the ones I looked at had 2xIDE and 4xSATA with onboard (SATA) RAID. All were less than $150. In other words, the days of having a JBOD-only solution are

RE: [zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320 - offtopic

2006-09-08 Thread Bennett, Steve
Dunno about eSATA jbods, but eSATA host ports have appeared on at least two HDTV-capable DVRs for storage expansion (looks like one model of the Scientific Atlanta cable box DVR's as well as on the shipping-any-day-now Tivo Series 3). It's strange that they didn't go with firewire since

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320 - offtopic

2006-09-08 Thread Richard Elling - PAE
Ed Gould wrote: On Sep 8, 2006, at 11:35, Torrey McMahon wrote: If I read between the lines here I think you're saying that the raid functionality is in the chipset but the management can only be done by software running on the outside. (Right?) No. All that's in the chipset is enough to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Recommendation ZFS on StorEdge 3320 - offtopic

2006-09-07 Thread Richard Elling - PAE
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is the case where I don't understand Sun's politics at all: Sun doesn't offer really cheap JBOD which can be bought just for ZFS. And don't even tell me about 3310/3320 JBODs - they are horrible expansive :-( Yep, multipacks are EOL for some time now -- killed by