Re: [zfs-discuss] JBOD recommendation for ZFS usage

2011-05-31 Thread Jim Klimov
So, if I may, is this the correct summary of the answer to original question (on JBOD for a ZFS HA cluster): === SC847E26-RJBOD1 with dual-ported SAS drives are known to work in a failover HA storage scenario, allowing both servers (HBAs) access to each single SAS drive individually, so

Re: [zfs-discuss] JBOD recommendation for ZFS usage

2011-05-31 Thread Rocky Shek
Thomas, You can consider the DataON DNS-1600(4U 24 3.5 Bay 6Gb/s SAS JBOD). It is perfect for ZFS storage as the alternative of J4400. http://dataonstorage.com/dns-1600 And we recommend you to use native SAS HD like Seagate Constellation ES 2TB SAS to connect 2 hosts for fail-over

Re: [zfs-discuss] JBOD recommendation for ZFS usage

2011-05-30 Thread Florian Wagner
Dear all Sorry if it's kind of off-topic for the list but after talking to lots of vendors I'm running out of ideas... We are looking for JBOD systems which (1) hold 20+ 3.3 SATA drives (2) are rack mountable (3) have all the nive hot-swap stuff (4) allow 2 hosts to connect via

Re: [zfs-discuss] JBOD recommendation for ZFS usage

2011-05-30 Thread Jim Klimov
Following up on some of this forum's discussions, I read the manuals on SuperMicro's SC847E26-RJBOD1 this weekend. At the very least, this box provides dual-expander backplanes (2 BPs for a total of 45 hot-swap disks), so each JBOD has 4 outgoing SFF8087 (4xSATA iPass) connectors. However it

Re: [zfs-discuss] JBOD recommendation for ZFS usage

2011-05-30 Thread Thomas Nau
Thanks Jim and all the other who have replied so far On 05/30/2011 11:37 AM, Jim Klimov wrote: ... So if your application can live with the unit of failover being a bunch of 21 or 24 disks - that might be a way to go. However each head would only have one connection to each backplane,

Re: [zfs-discuss] JBOD recommendation for ZFS usage

2011-05-30 Thread Gary Mills
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 08:06:31AM +0200, Thomas Nau wrote: We are looking for JBOD systems which (1) hold 20+ 3.3 SATA drives (2) are rack mountable (3) have all the nive hot-swap stuff (4) allow 2 hosts to connect via SAS (4+ lines per host) and see all available drives as disks, no

Re: [zfs-discuss] JBOD recommendation for ZFS usage

2011-05-30 Thread Richard Elling
On May 30, 2011, at 2:37 AM, Jim Klimov wrote: Following up on some of this forum's discussions, I read the manuals on SuperMicro's SC847E26-RJBOD1 this weekend. We see quite a few of these in the NexentaStor installed base. The other commonly found 3.5 24-drive JBOD is the DataON

Re: [zfs-discuss] JBOD recommendation for ZFS usage

2011-05-30 Thread Jim Klimov
Thanks, now I have someone to interrogate, who seems to have seen these boxes live - if you don't mind ;) - Original Message - From: Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com Date: Monday, May 30, 2011 22:04 We also commonly see the dual-expander backplanes. According to the docs,

Re: [zfs-discuss] JBOD recommendation for ZFS usage

2011-05-30 Thread Tim Cook
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 1:35 PM, Jim Klimov j...@cos.ru wrote: Thanks, now I have someone to interrogate, who seems to have seen these boxes live - if you don't mind ;) - Original Message - From: Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com Date: Monday, May 30, 2011 22:04 We also

Re: [zfs-discuss] JBOD recommendation for ZFS usage

2011-05-30 Thread Garrett D'Amore
Dunno about Germany, but LSI and DataON both have offerings. (The LSI units are probably going fast, as LSI exits that business having sold that unit to NetApp.) -- Garrett D'Amore On May 30, 2011, at 10:08 AM, Thomas Nau thomas@uni-ulm.de wrote: Dear all Sorry if it's kind of

Re: [zfs-discuss] JBOD recommendation for ZFS usage

2011-05-30 Thread Jim Klimov
Tim Cook wrote: SAS drives are SAS drives, they aren't like SCSI. There aren't 20 different versions with different pinouts. Uh-huh... Reading some more articles, I think I found the answer to my question: the SAS connector seems to be dual-sided (with conductive stripes on both sides of the

Re: [zfs-discuss] JBOD recommendation for ZFS usage

2011-05-30 Thread Brandon High
On Mon, May 30, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Jim Klimov jimkli...@cos.ru wrote: Also some articles stated that at one time there were single-port SAS drives, so there are at least two SAS connectors after all ;) Nope, only one mechanical connector. A dual port cable can be used with single- or dual-ported

Re: [zfs-discuss] JBOD recommendation for ZFS usage

2011-05-30 Thread Richard Elling
On May 30, 2011, at 6:16 PM, Jim Klimov wrote: Multipathing is handled by mpxio. So I configure MPxIO, then feed the zpool create device names of multipathed aggregates, and hopefully failover should work. Yes, it is that simple :-) But can two paths work in parallel to double the