Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Production ZFS Server Death (06/06)

2006-12-02 Thread Casper . Dik
While other file systems, when they become corrupt, allow you to salvage data :-) They allow you to salvage what you *think* is your data. But in reality, you have no clue what the disks are giving you. Casper ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Production ZFS Server Death (06/06)

2006-12-02 Thread Al Hopper
On Sat, 2 Dec 2006, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Dec 2, 2006, at 12:06 AM, Ian Collins wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Dec 1, 2006, at 10:17 PM, Ian Collins wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: There is not? People buy disk drives and expect them to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Production ZFS Server Death (06/06)

2006-12-02 Thread Al Hopper
On Sat, 2 Dec 2006, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Dec 2, 2006, at 6:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While other file systems, when they become corrupt, allow you to salvage data :-) They allow you to salvage what you *think* is your data. But in reality, you have no

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Production ZFS Server Death (06/06)

2006-12-02 Thread Toby Thain
On 2-Dec-06, at 12:56 PM, Al Hopper wrote: On Sat, 2 Dec 2006, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Dec 2, 2006, at 6:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While other file systems, when they become corrupt, allow you to salvage data :-) They allow you to salvage what you *think* is your

Re: [zfs-discuss] replacing a drive in a raidz vdev

2006-12-02 Thread Bill Sommerfeld
On Sat, 2006-12-02 at 00:08 -0500, Theo Schlossnagle wrote: I had a disk malfunction in a raidz pool today. I had an extra on in the enclosure and performed a: zpool replace pool old new and several unexpected behaviors have transpired: the zpool replace command hung for 52 minutes

Re: [zfs-discuss] replacing a drive in a raidz vdev

2006-12-02 Thread Theo Schlossnagle
On Dec 2, 2006, at 1:32 PM, Bill Sommerfeld wrote: On Sat, 2006-12-02 at 00:08 -0500, Theo Schlossnagle wrote: I had a disk malfunction in a raidz pool today. I had an extra on in the enclosure and performed a: zpool replace pool old new and several unexpected behaviors have transpired: the

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Production ZFS Server Death (06/06)

2006-12-02 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
On Dec 2, 2006, at 10:56 AM, Al Hopper wrote: On Sat, 2 Dec 2006, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Dec 2, 2006, at 6:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While other file systems, when they become corrupt, allow you to salvage data :-) They allow you to salvage what you *think* is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Production ZFS Server Death (06/06)

2006-12-02 Thread Jeff Victor
Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Dec 2, 2006, at 10:56 AM, Al Hopper wrote: On Sat, 2 Dec 2006, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Dec 2, 2006, at 6:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While other file systems, when they become corrupt, allow you to salvage data :-) They allow

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Production ZFS Server Death (06/06)

2006-12-02 Thread Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC
On Dec 2, 2006, at 12:29 PM, Jeff Victor wrote: Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Dec 2, 2006, at 10:56 AM, Al Hopper wrote: On Sat, 2 Dec 2006, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Dec 2, 2006, at 6:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While other file systems, when they become

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Production ZFS Server Death (06/06)

2006-12-02 Thread Dick Davies
On 02/12/06, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 2, 2006, at 10:56 AM, Al Hopper wrote: On Sat, 2 Dec 2006, Chad Leigh -- Shire.Net LLC wrote: On Dec 2, 2006, at 6:01 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When you have subtle corruption, some of the data and meta data

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Production ZFS Server Death (06/06)

2006-12-02 Thread Rich Teer
On Sat, 2 Dec 2006, Al Hopper wrote: Some people on this list think that the RAID arrays are more likely to corrupt your data than JBOD (both with ZFS on top, for example, a ZFS mirror of 2 raid arrays or a JBOD mirror or raidz). There is no Can you present a cut/paste where that