Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Casper . Dik
On 27-Jan-07, at 10:15 PM, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: ... ZFS will not stop alpha particle induced memory corruption after data has been received by server and verified to be correct. Sadly I've been hit with that as well. My brother points out that you can use a rad hardened CPU. ECC

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Erik Trimble
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27-Jan-07, at 10:15 PM, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: ... ZFS will not stop alpha particle induced memory corruption after data has been received by server and verified to be correct. Sadly I've been hit with that as well. My brother points out that you

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Joerg Schilling
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Alpha particles which hit CPUs must have their origin inside said CPU. (Alpha particles do not penentrate skin, paper, let alone system cases or CPU packagaging) Gamma rays cannot be shielded in a senseful way. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg

[zfs-discuss] Re: can I use zfs on just a partition?

2007-01-28 Thread roland
Take note though, that giving zfs the entire disk gives a possible performance win, as zfs will only enable the write cache for the disk if it is given the entire disk. really? why this? is this tuneable somehow/somewhere? can i enabyle writecache if only using a dedicated partition ?

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: can I use zfs on just a partition?

2007-01-28 Thread Casper . Dik
Take note though, that giving zfs the entire disk gives a possible performance win, as zfs will only enable the write cache for the disk if it is given the entire disk. really? why this? In the old days, Sun never enabled the write cache on devices because of reliability issues. (Sun SCSI

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Toby Thain
On 28-Jan-07, at 7:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27-Jan-07, at 10:15 PM, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: ... ZFS will not stop alpha particle induced memory corruption after data has been received by server and verified to be correct. Sadly I've been hit with that as well. My brother

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Casper . Dik
On 28-Jan-07, at 7:59 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 27-Jan-07, at 10:15 PM, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: ... ZFS will not stop alpha particle induced memory corruption after data has been received by server and verified to be correct. Sadly I've been hit with that as well. My brother

[zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Anantha N. Srirama
You're right that storage level snapshots are filesystem agnostic. I'm not sure why you believe you won't be able to restore individual files by using a NetApp snapshot? In the case of ZFS you'd take a periodic snapshot and use it to restore files, in the case of NetApp you can do the same (of

[zfs-discuss] bug id 6381203

2007-01-28 Thread Leon Koll
Hello, what is the status of the bug 6381203 fix in S10 u3 ? (deadlock due to i/o while assigning (tc_lock held)) Was it integrated? Is there a patch? Thanks, [i]-- leon[/i] This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs rewrite?

2007-01-28 Thread Pawel Jakub Dawidek
On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 06:08:50PM -0800, Darren Dunham wrote: What do you guys think about implementing 'zfs/zpool rewrite' command? It'll read every block older than the date when the command was executed and write it again (using standard ZFS COW mechanism, simlar to how resilvering

Re: [zfs-discuss] bug id 6381203

2007-01-28 Thread Neil Perrin
Hi Leon, This was fixed in March 2006, and is in S10_U2. Neil. Leon Koll wrote On 01/28/07 08:58,: Hello, what is the status of the bug 6381203 fix in S10 u3 ? (deadlock due to i/o while assigning (tc_lock held)) Was it integrated? Is there a patch? Thanks, [i]-- leon[/i] This message

[zfs-discuss] Re: bug id 6381203

2007-01-28 Thread Leon Koll
Too bad...I was in the situation where every zpool ... command was stuck (as well as df command) and my hope was - it's a known/fixed bug. I could not save the core files, not sure I can reproduce the bug. Thank you for quick reply, [i]-- leon[/i] This message posted from opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Gary Mills
On Sat, Jan 27, 2007 at 04:15:30PM -0800, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: I'm not sure what benefit you forsee by running a COW filesystem (ZFS) on a COW array (NetApp). The application requires a filesystem with POSIX semantics. My first choice would be NFS from the Netapp, but this won't work in

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Gary Mills
On Sun, Jan 28, 2007 at 06:19:25AM -0800, Anantha N. Srirama wrote: You're right that storage level snapshots are filesystem agnostic. I'm not sure why you believe you won't be able to restore individual files by using a NetApp snapshot? In the case of ZFS you'd take a periodic snapshot and

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs rewrite?

2007-01-28 Thread Frank Cusack
On January 28, 2007 4:59:48 PM +0100 Pawel Jakub Dawidek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Jan 26, 2007 at 06:08:50PM -0800, Darren Dunham wrote: 3. I created file system with huge amount of data, where most of the data is read-only. I change my server from intel to sparc64 machine. Adaptive

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: high density SAS

2007-01-28 Thread Richard Elling
Anton B. Rang wrote: How badly can you mess up a JBOD? Two words: vibration, cooling. Three more: power, signal quality. I've seen even individual drive cases with bad enough signal quality to cause bit errors. Yep, if I crank up the amp to over 1kW, then on some frequencies, I see lots

Re: [zfs-discuss] data wanted: disk kstats

2007-01-28 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Richard, Friday, January 26, 2007, 11:36:07 PM, you wrote: RE We've been talking a lot recently about failure rates and types of RE failures. As you may know, I do look at field data and generally don't RE ask the group for more data. But this time, for various reasons (I RE might have

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] zfs rewrite?

2007-01-28 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Jeff, Saturday, January 27, 2007, 8:27:09 AM, you wrote: JB You're all correct. File data is never byte-swapped. Most metadata JB needs to be byte-swapped, but it's generally only 1-2% of your space. JB So the overhead shouldn't be significant, even if you never rewrite. I remember

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Anantha, Friday, January 26, 2007, 5:06:46 PM, you wrote: ANS All my feedback is based on Solaris 10 Update 2 (aka 06/06) and ANS I've no comments on NFS. I strongly recommend that you use ZFS ANS data redundancy (z1, z2, or mirror) and simply delegate the ANS Engenio to stripe the data

Re[2]: [zfs-discuss] ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Robert Milkowski
Hello Francois, Friday, January 26, 2007, 4:09:43 PM, you wrote: FD On Fri, 2007-01-26 at 06:16 -0800, Jeffery Malloch wrote: Hi Folks, I am currently in the midst of setting up a completely new file server using a pretty well loaded Sun T2000 (8x1GHz, 16GB RAM) connected to an Engenio

[zfs-discuss] Re: Re: ZFS or UFS - what to do?

2007-01-28 Thread Anantha N. Srirama
Agreed, I guess I didn't articulate my point/thought very well. The best config is to present JBoDs and let ZFS provide the data protection. This has been a very stimulating conversation thread; it is shedding new light into how to best use ZFS. This message posted from opensolaris.org