Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs proerty aclmode gone in 147?

2010-09-25 Thread Ralph Böhme
> I must admit though, that the new ACL/ACE model in > 147 is really nice and slick. Darwin ACL model is nice and slick, the new NFSv4 one in 147 is just braindead. chmod resulting in ACLs being discarded is a bizarre design decision. -- This message posted from opensolaris.org _

Re: [zfs-discuss] non-ECC Systems and ZFS for home users

2010-09-25 Thread Ian Collins
On 09/25/10 02:54 AM, Erik Trimble wrote: Honestly, I've said it before, and I'll say it (yet) again: unless you have very stringent power requirement (or some other unusual requirement, like very, very low noise), used (or even new-in-box, previous generation excess inventory) OEM stuff is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedup relationship between pool and filesystem

2010-09-25 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- > boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Brad Stone > > For de-duplication to perform well you need to be able to fit the de- > dup table in memory. Is a good rule-of-thumb for needed RAM Size=(pool > capacity/avg block size)*270 byt

[zfs-discuss] dedup testing?

2010-09-25 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
Hi all Has anyone done any testing with dedup with OI? On opensolaris there is a nifty "feature" that allows the system to hang for hours or days if attempting to delete a dataset on a deduped pool. This is said to be fixed, but I haven't seen that myself, so I'm just wondering... I'll get a 1

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedup relationship between pool and filesystem

2010-09-25 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
> > For de-duplication to perform well you need to be able to fit the > > de- > > dup table in memory. Is a good rule-of-thumb for needed RAM > > Size=(pool > > capacity/avg block size)*270 bytes? Or perhaps it's > > Size/expected_dedup_ratio? > > For now, the rule of thumb is 3G ram for every 1TB

Re: [zfs-discuss] dedup testing?

2010-09-25 Thread Piotr Jasiukajtis
AFAIK that part of dedup code is not changed in b147. On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 6:54 PM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: > Hi all > > Has anyone done any testing with dedup with OI? On opensolaris there is a > nifty "feature" that allows the system to hang for hours or days if > attempting to delete

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedup relationship between pool and filesystem

2010-09-25 Thread Scott Meilicke
When I do the calculations, assuming 300bytes per block to be conservative, with 128K blocks, I get 2.34G of cache (RAM, L2ARC) per Terabyte of deduped data. But block size is dynamic, so you will need more than this. Scott -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] dedup testing?

2010-09-25 Thread Brandon High
On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Piotr Jasiukajtis wrote: > AFAIK that part of dedup code is not changed in b147. I think I remember seeing that there was a change made in 142 that helps, though I'm not sure to what extent. -B -- Brandon High : bh...@freaks.com ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] non-ECC Systems and ZFS for home users

2010-09-25 Thread Erik Trimble
On 9/25/2010 1:57 AM, Ian Collins wrote: On 09/25/10 02:54 AM, Erik Trimble wrote: Honestly, I've said it before, and I'll say it (yet) again: unless you have very stringent power requirement (or some other unusual requirement, like very, very low noise), used (or even new-in-box, previou

Re: [zfs-discuss] non-ECC Systems and ZFS for home users

2010-09-25 Thread Giovanni Tirloni
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Dick Hoogendijk wrote: > And about what SUN systems are you thinking for 'home use' ? > The likeliness of memory failures might be much higher than becoming a > millionair, but in the years past I have never had one. And my home sytems > are rather cheap. Mind yo

Re: [zfs-discuss] dedup testing?

2010-09-25 Thread Markus Kovero
> On Sat, Sep 25, 2010 at 10:19 AM, Piotr Jasiukajtis wrote: >> AFAIK that part of dedup code is not changed in b147. > I think I remember seeing that there was a change made in 142 that > helps, though I'm not sure to what extent. > -B OI seemed to behave much better than 134 in low disk space

Re: [zfs-discuss] non-ECC Systems and ZFS for home users

2010-09-25 Thread Ian Collins
On 09/26/10 07:25 AM, Erik Trimble wrote: On 9/25/2010 1:57 AM, Ian Collins wrote: On 09/25/10 02:54 AM, Erik Trimble wrote: Honestly, I've said it before, and I'll say it (yet) again: unless you have very stringent power requirement (or some other unusual requirement, like very, very low

[zfs-discuss] zfs send/receive?

2010-09-25 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
hi all I'm using a custom snaopshot scheme which snapshots every hour, day, week and month, rotating 24h, 7d, 4w and so on. What would be the best way to zfs send/receive these things? I'm a little confused about how this works for delta udpates... Vennlige hilsener / Best regards roy --

Re: [zfs-discuss] non-ECC Systems and ZFS for home users

2010-09-25 Thread R.G. Keen
> Erik Trimble sez: > Honestly, I've said it before, and I'll say it (yet) again: unless you > have very stringent power requirement (or some other unusual > requirement, like very, very low noise), used (or even new-in-box, > previous generation excess inventory) OEM stuff is far superior to

Re: [zfs-discuss] [osol-discuss] zfs send/receive?

2010-09-25 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- > discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk > > I'm using a custom snaopshot scheme which snapshots every hour, day, > week and month, rotating 24h, 7d, 4w and so on. What would be the best > way to z

Re: [zfs-discuss] Dedup relationship between pool and filesystem

2010-09-25 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
> From: Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk [mailto:r...@karlsbakk.net] > > > For now, the rule of thumb is 3G ram for every 1TB of unique data, > > including > > snapshots and vdev's. > > 3 gigs? Last I checked it was a little more than 1GB, perhaps 2 if you > have small files. http://opensolaris.org/jive/thr

Re: [zfs-discuss] [osol-discuss] zfs send/receive?

2010-09-25 Thread Richard Elling
On Sep 25, 2010, at 7:42 PM, "Edward Ned Harvey" wrote: >> From: opensolaris-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:opensolaris- >> discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk >> >> I'm using a custom snaopshot scheme which snapshots every hour, day, >> week and month, ro

Re: [zfs-discuss] dedup testing?

2010-09-25 Thread Richard Elling
On Sep 25, 2010, at 9:54 AM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: > Hi all > > Has anyone done any testing with dedup with OI? On opensolaris there is a > nifty "feature" that allows the system to hang for hours or days if > attempting to delete a dataset on a deduped pool. This is said to be fixed, >

Re: [zfs-discuss] Growing a root ZFS mirror on b134?

2010-09-25 Thread Carl Brewer
Thank you very much to Casper for his help. I now have a rpool with 2 x 2TB HDD's and it's all good : # zpool list rpool NAMESIZE ALLOC FREECAP DEDUP HEALTH ALTROOT rpool 1.82T 640G 1.19T34% 1.09x ONLINE - It gets quite unhappy if you don't use detach (offline isn't so u