Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Erik Trimble
On 4/7/2011 10:25 AM, Chris Banal wrote: While I understand everything at Oracle is top secret these days. Does anyone have any insight into a next-gen X4500 / X4540? Does some other Oracle / Sun partner make a comparable system that is fully supported by Oracle / Sun?

[zfs-discuss] How to rename rpool. Is that recommended ?

2011-04-08 Thread Arjun YK
Hello, I have a situation where a host, which is booted off its 'rpool', need to temporarily import the 'rpool' of another host, edit some files in it, and export the pool back retaining its original name 'rpool'. Can this be done ? Here is what I am trying to do: # zpool import -R /a rpool

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to rename rpool. Is that recommended ?

2011-04-08 Thread Fajar A. Nugraha
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:10 PM, Arjun YK arju...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have a situation where a host, which is booted off its 'rpool', need to temporarily import the 'rpool' of another host, edit some files in it, and export the pool back retaining its original name 'rpool'. Can this be

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to rename rpool. Is that recommended ?

2011-04-08 Thread Arjun YK
Hi, Let me add another query. I would assume it would be perfectly ok to choose any name for root pool, instead of 'rpool', during the OS install. Please suggest otherwise. Thanks Arjun On 4/8/11, Arjun YK arju...@gmail.com wrote: Hello, I have a situation where a host, which is booted off

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to rename rpool. Is that recommended ?

2011-04-08 Thread Fajar A. Nugraha
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Arjun YK arju...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Let me add another query. I would assume it would be perfectly ok to choose any name for root pool, instead of 'rpool', during the OS install. Please suggest otherwise. Have you tried it? Last time I try, the pool name

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to rename rpool. Is that recommended ?

2011-04-08 Thread Stephan Budach
Am 08.04.11 09:31, schrieb Fajar A. Nugraha: On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Arjun YKarju...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Let me add another query. I would assume it would be perfectly ok to choose any name for root pool, instead of 'rpool', during the OS install. Please suggest otherwise. Have you

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Ian Collins
On 04/ 8/11 06:30 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: On 4/7/2011 10:25 AM, Chris Banal wrote: While I understand everything at Oracle is top secret these days. Does anyone have any insight into a next-gen X4500 / X4540? Does some other Oracle / Sun partner make a comparable system that is fully

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to rename rpool. Is that recommended ?

2011-04-08 Thread Casper . Dik
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:24 PM, Arjun YK arju...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Let me add another query. I would assume it would be perfectly ok to choose any name for root pool, instead of 'rpool', during the OS install. Please suggest otherwise. Have you tried it? Last time I try, the pool name

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Erik Trimble
On 4/8/2011 12:37 AM, Ian Collins wrote: On 04/ 8/11 06:30 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: On 4/7/2011 10:25 AM, Chris Banal wrote: While I understand everything at Oracle is top secret these days. Does anyone have any insight into a next-gen X4500 / X4540? Does some other Oracle / Sun partner make

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Mark Sandrock
On Apr 8, 2011, at 2:37 AM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: On 04/ 8/11 06:30 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: On 4/7/2011 10:25 AM, Chris Banal wrote: While I understand everything at Oracle is top secret these days. Does anyone have any insight into a next-gen X4500 / X4540? Does some other

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to rename rpool. Is that recommended ?

2011-04-08 Thread Fajar A. Nugraha
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 2:37 PM, Stephan Budach stephan.bud...@jvm.de wrote: You can re-name a zpool at import time by simply issueing: zpool import oldpool newpool Yes, I know :) The last question from Arjun was can we choose any name for root pool, instead of 'rpool', during the OS install

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Ian Collins
On 04/ 8/11 08:08 PM, Mark Sandrock wrote: On Apr 8, 2011, at 2:37 AM, Ian Collinsi...@ianshome.com wrote: On 04/ 8/11 06:30 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: On 4/7/2011 10:25 AM, Chris Banal wrote: While I understand everything at Oracle is top secret these days. Does anyone have any insight into

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Mark Sandrock
On Apr 8, 2011, at 3:29 AM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: On 04/ 8/11 08:08 PM, Mark Sandrock wrote: On Apr 8, 2011, at 2:37 AM, Ian Collinsi...@ianshome.com wrote: On 04/ 8/11 06:30 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: On 4/7/2011 10:25 AM, Chris Banal wrote: While I understand everything at

[zfs-discuss] Read-only vdev

2011-04-08 Thread Karl Wagner
Hi everyone. I was just wondering if there was a way to for a specific vdev in a pool to be read-only? I can think of several uses for this, but would need to know if it was possible before thinking them through properly. Cheers Mouse ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] Read-only vdev

2011-04-08 Thread Tomas Ögren
On 08 April, 2011 - Karl Wagner sent me these 3,5K bytes: Hi everyone. I was just wondering if there was a way to for a specific vdev in a pool to be read-only? I can think of several uses for this, but would need to know if it was possible before thinking them through

Re: [zfs-discuss] Read-only vdev

2011-04-08 Thread Karl Wagner
-Original Message- From: Tomas Ögren [mailto:st...@acc.umu.se] Sent: 08 April 2011 11:23 To: Karl Wagner Cc: zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org Subject: Re: [zfs-discuss] Read-only vdev On 08 April, 2011 - Karl Wagner sent me these 3,5K bytes: Hi everyone. I was just

Re: [zfs-discuss] Read-only vdev

2011-04-08 Thread Victor Latushkin
On Apr 8, 2011, at 2:38 PM, Karl Wagner wrote: One of them was simply an alternative way to do a live CD environment. As ZFS already does COW etc, it would avoid all the hassle you get in e.g. linux. You could have a ZFS vdev on the CD, then use a RAM disk as a second vdev. IIRC this idea

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Ian Collins
On 04/ 8/11 09:49 PM, Mark Sandrock wrote: On Apr 8, 2011, at 3:29 AM, Ian Collinsi...@ianshome.com wrote: On 04/ 8/11 08:08 PM, Mark Sandrock wrote: On Apr 8, 2011, at 2:37 AM, Ian Collinsi...@ianshome.com wrote: On 04/ 8/11 06:30 PM, Erik Trimble wrote: The move seems to be to the

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Evaldas Auryla
On 04/ 8/11 01:14 PM, Ian Collins wrote: You have built-in storage failover with an AR cluster; and they do NFS, CIFS, iSCSI, HTTP and WebDav out of the box. And you have fairly unlimited options for application servers, once they are decoupled from the storage servers. It doesn't seem like

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011, Mark Sandrock wrote: And you have fairly unlimited options for application servers, once they are decoupled from the storage servers. It doesn't seem like much of a drawback -- although it The rather extreme loss of I/O performance (at least several orders of magnitude)

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to rename rpool. Is that recommended ?

2011-04-08 Thread randw
NOTE: when you modify your root pool on a different system, throw away the zfs.cache file. (Earlier implementation of a bug where if you rename your root pool and then your re-import it under a different name, zfs claims to have found two pools and then starts to corrupt them) Casper Also

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011, Erik Trimble wrote: Sorry, I read the question differently, as in I have X4500/X4540 now, and want more of them, but Oracle doesn't sell them anymore, what can I buy?. The 7000-series (now: Unified Storage) *are* storage appliances. They may be storage appliances, but

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Darren J Moffat
On 08/04/2011 14:59, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Fri, 8 Apr 2011, Erik Trimble wrote: Sorry, I read the question differently, as in I have X4500/X4540 now, and want more of them, but Oracle doesn't sell them anymore, what can I buy?. The 7000-series (now: Unified Storage) *are* storage

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread David Magda
On Fri, April 8, 2011 10:06, Darren J Moffat wrote: They may be storage appliances, but the user can not put their own software on them. This limits the appliance to only the features that Oracle decides to put on it. Isn't that the very definition of an Appliance ? Yes, but the OP wasn't

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to rename rpool. Is that recommended ?

2011-04-08 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Arjun, Yes, you an choose any name for the root pool, but an existing limitation is that you can't rename the root pool by using the zpool export/import with new name feature. Too much internal boot info is tied to the root pool name. What info are you changing? Instead, could you create a new

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Mark Sandrock
On Apr 8, 2011, at 7:50 AM, Evaldas Auryla evaldas.aur...@edqm.eu wrote: On 04/ 8/11 01:14 PM, Ian Collins wrote: You have built-in storage failover with an AR cluster; and they do NFS, CIFS, iSCSI, HTTP and WebDav out of the box. And you have fairly unlimited options for application

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Jens Elkner
On Fri, Apr 08, 2011 at 08:29:31PM +1200, Ian Collins wrote: On 04/ 8/11 08:08 PM, Mark Sandrock wrote: ... I don't follow? What else would an X4540 or a 7xxx box be used for, other than a storage appliance? ... No, I just wasn't clear - we use ours as storage/application servers. They run

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to rename rpool. Is that recommended ?

2011-04-08 Thread Glenn Lagasse
* Arjun YK (arju...@gmail.com) wrote: Hi, Let me add another query. I would assume it would be perfectly ok to choose any name for root pool, instead of 'rpool', during the OS install. Please suggest otherwise. While there is nothing special about the name 'rpool' (thus you *could* change

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 04/08/2011 05:20 PM, Mark Sandrock wrote: On Apr 8, 2011, at 7:50 AM, Evaldas Auryla evaldas.aur...@edqm.eu wrote: On 04/ 8/11 01:14 PM, Ian Collins wrote: You have built-in storage failover with an AR cluster; and they do NFS, CIFS, iSCSI, HTTP and WebDav out of the box. And you

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Darren J Moffat
On 08/04/2011 17:47, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: In short, I think the X4540 was an elegant and powerful system that definitely had its market, especially in my area of work (digital video processing - heavy on latency, throughput and IOPS - an area, where the 7000-series with its over-the-network

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 04/08/2011 06:59 PM, Darren J Moffat wrote: On 08/04/2011 17:47, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: In short, I think the X4540 was an elegant and powerful system that definitely had its market, especially in my area of work (digital video processing - heavy on latency, throughput and IOPS - an area,

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread J.P. King
No, I haven't tried a S7000, but I've tried other kinds of network storage and from a design perspective, for my applications, it doesn't even make a single bit of sense. I'm talking about high-volume real-time video streaming, where you stream 500-1000 (x 8Mbit/s) live streams from a machine

[zfs-discuss] Network video streaming [Was: Re: X4540 no next-gen product?]

2011-04-08 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 04/08/2011 07:22 PM, J.P. King wrote: No, I haven't tried a S7000, but I've tried other kinds of network storage and from a design perspective, for my applications, it doesn't even make a single bit of sense. I'm talking about high-volume real-time video streaming, where you stream

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Marion Hakanson
jp...@cam.ac.uk said: I can't speak for this particular situation or solution, but I think in principle you are wrong. Networks are fast. Hard drives are slow. Put a 10G connection between your storage and your front ends and you'll have the bandwidth[1]. Actually if you really were

Re: [zfs-discuss] How to rename rpool. Is that recommended ?

2011-04-08 Thread Brandon High
On Fri, Apr 8, 2011 at 12:10 AM, Arjun YK arju...@gmail.com wrote: I have a situation where a host, which is booted off its 'rpool', need to temporarily import the 'rpool' of another host, edit some files in it, and export the pool back retaining its original name 'rpool'. Can this be done ?

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Chris Banal
Sounds like many of us are in a similar situation. To clarify my original post. The goal here was to continue with what was a cost effective solution to some of our Storage requirements. I'm looking for hardware that wouldn't cause me to get the run around from the Oracle support folks,

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Erik Trimble
On 4/8/2011 1:58 PM, Chris Banal wrote: Sounds like many of us are in a similar situation. To clarify my original post. The goal here was to continue with what was a cost effective solution to some of our Storage requirements. I'm looking for hardware that wouldn't cause me to get the run

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 8 Apr 2011, J.P. King wrote: I can't speak for this particular situation or solution, but I think in principle you are wrong. Networks are fast. Hard drives are slow. Put a But memory is much faster than either. It most situations the data would already be buffered in the

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Erik Trimble
On 4/8/2011 4:50 PM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Fri, 8 Apr 2011, J.P. King wrote: I can't speak for this particular situation or solution, but I think in principle you are wrong. Networks are fast. Hard drives are slow. Put a But memory is much faster than either. It most situations the

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Chris Banal
Can anyone comment on Solaris with zfs on HP systems? Do things work reliably? When there is trouble how many hoops does HP make you jump through (how painful is it to get a part replaced that isn't flat out smokin')? Have you gotten bounced between vendors? Thanks, Chris Erik Trimble wrote:

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Ian Collins
On 04/ 9/11 03:20 AM, Mark Sandrock wrote: On Apr 8, 2011, at 7:50 AM, Evaldas Aurylaevaldas.aur...@edqm.eu wrote: On 04/ 8/11 01:14 PM, Ian Collins wrote: You have built-in storage failover with an AR cluster; and they do NFS, CIFS, iSCSI, HTTP and WebDav out of the box. And you have

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Adam Serediuk
Sounds like many of us are in a similar situation. To clarify my original post. The goal here was to continue with what was a cost effective solution to some of our Storage requirements. I'm looking for hardware that wouldn't cause me to get the run around from the Oracle support folks,

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Mark Sandrock
On Apr 8, 2011, at 9:39 PM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: On 04/ 9/11 03:20 AM, Mark Sandrock wrote: On Apr 8, 2011, at 7:50 AM, Evaldas Aurylaevaldas.aur...@edqm.eu wrote: On 04/ 8/11 01:14 PM, Ian Collins wrote: You have built-in storage failover with an AR cluster; and they do

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Ian Collins
On 04/ 9/11 03:53 PM, Mark Sandrock wrote: I'm not arguing. If it were up to me, we'd still be selling those boxes. Maybe you could whisper in the right ear? :) -- Ian. ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Mark Sandrock
On Apr 8, 2011, at 11:19 PM, Ian Collins i...@ianshome.com wrote: On 04/ 9/11 03:53 PM, Mark Sandrock wrote: I'm not arguing. If it were up to me, we'd still be selling those boxes. Maybe you could whisper in the right ear? I wish. I'd have a long list if I could do that. Mark :) --

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Erik Trimble
On 4/8/2011 9:19 PM, Ian Collins wrote: On 04/ 9/11 03:53 PM, Mark Sandrock wrote: I'm not arguing. If it were up to me, we'd still be selling those boxes. Maybe you could whisper in the right ear? :) Three little words are all that Oracle Product Managers hear: Business case

Re: [zfs-discuss] X4540 no next-gen product?

2011-04-08 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Fri, Apr 8 at 18:08, Chris Banal wrote: Can anyone comment on Solaris with zfs on HP systems? Do things work reliably? When there is trouble how many hoops does HP make you jump through (how painful is it to get a part replaced that isn't flat out smokin')? Have you gotten bounced between