Re: [zfs-discuss] Trying to replicate ZFS self-heal demo and not seeing fixed error

2006-05-15 Thread Darren J Moffat
Joerg Schilling wrote: Darren J Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a difference though as far as I can tell. Sometimes on Solaris we have p? for fdisk partitioning included and sometimes we don't; similarly we sometimes don't have t? for target. Personally I'd prefer us to be

Re: Re[5]: [zfs-discuss] Re: Re: Due to 128KB limit in ZFS it can't saturate disks

2006-05-15 Thread Roch Bourbonnais - Performance Engineering
The question put forth is whether the ZFS 128K blocksize is sufficient to saturate a regular disk. There is great body of evidence that shows that the bigger the write sizes and matching large FS clustersize lead to more throughput. The counter point is that ZFS schedules it's I/O like nothing

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and databases

2006-05-15 Thread Roch Bourbonnais - Performance Engineering
Gregory Shaw writes: I really like the below idea: - the ability to defragment a file 'live'. I can see instances where that could be very useful. For instance, if you have multiple LUNs (or spindles, whatever) using ZFS, you could re-optimize large files to spread

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs root eta?

2006-05-15 Thread Lori Alt
We're aiming for a release of bootable zfs in update 4. So it won't be available in SXCR very soon. However, we might be able to supply some parts of it, or at least some improvements to the manual method, via Tabriz's blog before then. We'll have to look at it. Lori Dick Davies wrote: Hi,

[zfs-discuss] Need Google SoC 2006 ZFS mentor

2006-05-15 Thread Darren J Moffat
There are OpenSolaris project proposals from students that need a ZFS aware mentor. Both need a mentor that understands the ZFS code base. This does NOT need to be a Sun Employee and I know there are a growing number of people out there that are familiar with the code base. One proposal is

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and databases

2006-05-15 Thread Gregory Shaw
Rich, correct me if I'm wrong, but here's the scenario I was thinking of: - A large file is created. - Over time, the file grows and shrinks. The anticipated layout on disk due to this is that extents are allocated as the file changes. The extents may or may not be on multiple spindles.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS and databases

2006-05-15 Thread Franz Haberhauer
The problem I see with sequential access jump all over the place is that this increases the utilization of the disks - over the years disks have become even faster for sequential access, whereas random access (as they have to move the actuator) has not improved at the same pace - this is what

Re: [zfs-discuss] Question about /etc/default/fs for a zfs based zone

2006-05-15 Thread Jonathan Adams
On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 03:59:00PM -0400, Dennis Clarke wrote: Inside the foo zone I see that /etc/default/fs says : LOCAL=ufs Shouldn't this be LOCAL=zfs ? Or will that cause problems ? All this determines is the default filesystem type for mount(1M), fsck(1M), etc. Given that you

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS and databases

2006-05-15 Thread Franz Haberhauer
Nicolas Williams wrote: On Sat, May 13, 2006 at 08:23:55AM +0200, Franz Haberhauer wrote: Given that ISV apps can be only changed by the ISV who may or may not be willing to use such a new interface, having a no cache property for the file - or given that filesystems are now really cheap

Re: [zfs-discuss] Question about /etc/default/fs for a zfs based zone

2006-05-15 Thread Eric Schrock
On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 10:13:51AM -0700, Jonathan Adams wrote: All this determines is the default filesystem type for mount(1M), fsck(1M), etc. Given that you use zfs(1M) for all that kind of manipulation, it seems like this is not a huge deal. Note that if you are a fan of legacy

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS and databases

2006-05-15 Thread Darren J Moffat
Franz Haberhauer wrote: This would work technically, but wether ISVs are willing to support such usage is a different topic (there may be startup scripts involved making it a little tricky to pass an library path to the app). Yet another reason to start the applications from SMF. -- Darren

RE: [zfs-discuss] Sparse file support in Java?

2006-05-15 Thread Gehr, Chuck R
The reason this is pertinent to ZFS is because you can do things with a ZFS file that you can't with other file systems. In particular, with ZFS you can use fcntl to free space from the file. For example, a zfs file can be used quite nicely to implement a circular queue. Instead of having to

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS and databases

2006-05-15 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 07:16:38PM +0200, Franz Haberhauer wrote: Nicolas Williams wrote: Yes, but remember, DB vendors have adopted new features before -- they want to have the fastest DB. Same with open source web servers. So I'm a bit optimistic. Yes, but they usually adopt it only

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS and databases

2006-05-15 Thread Nicolas Williams
On Mon, May 15, 2006 at 11:17:17AM -0700, Bart Smaalders wrote: Perhaps an fadvise call is in order? We already have directio(3C). (That was a surprise for me also.) ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs root eta?

2006-05-15 Thread Terry Smith
Hi there Can a ZFS root participate in Live Upgrade, that is does luupgrade understand a ZFS root? T Tabriz Leman wrote: All, For those who haven't already gone through the painful manual process of setting up a ZFS Root, Tim Foster has put together a script. It is available on his

Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Having to subscribe to post considered obnoxious (Re: [zfs-discuss] OSOL mailing list issues)

2006-05-15 Thread Casper . Dik
Casper == Casper Dik [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Casper How can I configure it to reject non-member mail? Go to the Mailman list admin page. The control is under Privacy options-Sender filters (Action to take for postings from options-non-members...). Never noticed these options; thanks.

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs root eta?

2006-05-15 Thread Lori Alt
no, luupgrade does not yet support zfs root. That support will come with the rest of the zfs install support. Lori Terry Smith wrote: Hi there Can a ZFS root participate in Live Upgrade, that is does luupgrade understand a ZFS root? T Tabriz Leman wrote: All, For those who haven't

Re: [zfs-discuss] zfs root eta?

2006-05-15 Thread Dick Davies
On 15/05/06, Tabriz Leman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For those who haven't already gone through the painful manual process of setting up a ZFS Root, Tim Foster has put together a script. It is available on his blog (http://blogs.sun.com/roller/page/timf/20060425). I haven't tried it out, but am

[zfs-discuss] pool import issue

2006-05-15 Thread Jeff Ferreira
It appears that if you follow this sequence, importing a pool becomes impossible: 1) offline a disk 2) replace the same disk 3) export the pool It would seem a normal course of events to 1) offline a failing disk, 2) wait for FedEx to get a new drive to you 3) replace the drive, and go along

Re: [zfs-discuss] pool import issue

2006-05-15 Thread Eric Schrock
Yes, this is a known issue recently discovered ourselves (CR#6425111). I'm looking into it now. Hopefully it'll be fixed in build 41, but definiely by build 42. - Eric -- Eric Schrock, Solaris Kernel Development http://blogs.sun.com/eschrock ___

[zfs-discuss] Re: pool import issue

2006-05-15 Thread Jeff Ferreira
Ok - great. Thanks Eric. On another, semi-related note... it would be convenient to be able to display the pool ID number using zpool. I'm imagining some kind of 'zpool info pool' command with one or two levels of verbosity. Could be useful when planning export/import operations for pools, or