Re: [zfs-discuss] poor NFS/ZFS performance

2006-11-23 Thread Constantin Gonzalez
Hi, I haven't followed all the details in this discussion, but it seems to me that it all breaks down to: - NFS on ZFS is slow due to NFS being very conservative when sending ACK to clients only after writes have definitely committed to disk. - Therefore, the problem is not that much ZFS

Re: [zfs-discuss] poor NFS/ZFS performance

2006-11-23 Thread Roch - PAE
Nope, wrong conclusion again. This large performance degradation has nothing whatsoever to do with ZFS. I have not seen data that would show a possible slowness on the part of ZFS vfs AnyFS on the backend; there may well be and that would be an entirely diffenrent discussion to the large

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS goes catatonic when drives go dead?

2006-11-23 Thread Pawel Jakub Dawidek
On Thu, Nov 23, 2006 at 12:09:09PM +0100, Pawel Jakub Dawidek wrote: On Wed, Nov 22, 2006 at 03:38:05AM -0800, Peter Eriksson wrote: There is nothing in the ZFS FAQ about this. I also fail to see how FMA could make any difference since it seems that ZFS is deadlocking somewhere in the

Re: [zfs-discuss] poor NFS/ZFS performance

2006-11-23 Thread Constantin Gonzalez
Hi Roch, thanks, now I better understand the issue :). Nope. NFS is slow for single threaded tar extract. The conservative approach of NFS is needed with the NFS protocol in order to ensure client's side data integrity. Nothing ZFS related. ... NFS is plenty fast in a throughput

Re: [zfs-discuss] poor NFS/ZFS performance

2006-11-23 Thread Darren J Moffat
Roch - PAE wrote: Not possible. Nothing related to ZFS here and if NFS had ways to make this better i think it would have been done in v4. If we extended the protocol to allow for exclusive mounts (single client access) then, I would think that the extra knowledge could be used to gain

[zfs-discuss] bare metal ZFS ? How To ?

2006-11-23 Thread Dennis Clarke
One of the things that I have taken for granted was that I can *always* boot a Sun server with a CDROM or DVD or jumpstart boot net -srv and get to a prompt. That allows me to fsck filesystems and ufsdump to tape if needed. In fact, I have generally done obscure things like fully install a

Re: [zfs-discuss] poor NFS/ZFS performance

2006-11-23 Thread Calum Mackay
We have had file delegation on by default in NFSv4 since Solaris 10 FCS, putback in July 2004. We're currently working on also providing directory delegations - client caching of directory contents - as part of the upcoming NFSv4.1. cheers, calum. Darren J Moffat wrote: Roch - PAE wrote:

Re: [zfs-discuss] bare metal ZFS ? How To ?

2006-11-23 Thread James Dickens
On 11/23/06, James Dickens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/23/06, Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this is off list on purpose ? run zpool import, it will search all attached storage and give you a list of availible pools. then run zpool import poolname or add a -f if you

Re: [zfs-discuss] bare metal ZFS ? How To ?

2006-11-23 Thread Dennis Clarke
On 11/23/06, James Dickens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 11/23/06, Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: assume worst case someone walks up to you and drops an array on you. They say its ZFS an' I need that der stuff 'k? all while chewing on a cig. what do you do ? besides run ?

Re: [zfs-discuss] poor NFS/ZFS performance

2006-11-23 Thread Matt Sweeney
Bill, I did the same test on the Thumper I'm working on with the NFS vols converted from ZFS stripes to SVM stripes. In both cases same number/type of disks in the stripe. In my very simple test ,time for file in frame*; do cp /inq/$file /outq/$file; done, UFS did approximately 64 MB/s,

Re: [zfs-discuss] poor NFS/ZFS performance

2006-11-23 Thread Calum Mackay
Calum Mackay wrote: We have had file delegation on by default in NFSv4 since Solaris 10 FCS, putback in July 2004. The delegation of a file gives the client certain guarantees about how that file may be accessed by other clients (regardless of NFS version) or processes local to the NFS

[zfs-discuss] Re: bare metal ZFS ? How To ?

2006-11-23 Thread Peter Moore
Dennis, i'm not sure if this will help you, but i had something similar happen and was able to get my zpool back. i decided to install (not upgrade) Nevada snv-51 which was the current build at the time. I had (and thankfully still have) a zpool which i'd created under snv-37 on a separite

[zfs-discuss] Re: bare metal ZFS ? How To ?

2006-11-23 Thread Akhilesh Mritunjai
Excuse me if I'm mistaken, but I think the question is on the lines of how to access and more importantly - Backup zfs pools/filesystems present on a system by just booting from a CD/DVD. I think the answer would be on the lines of (forced?) importing of zfs pools present on the system and