[zfs-discuss] Re: Help understanding some benchmark results

2007-01-11 Thread Chris Smith
> > What build/version of Solaris/ZFS are you using? Solaris 11/06. bash-3.00# uname -a SunOS nitrogen 5.10 Generic_118855-33 i86pc i386 i86pc bash-3.00# > What block size are you using for writes in bonnie++? > I > ind performance on streaming writes is better w/ > larger writes. I'm afraid I

[zfs-discuss] OT: How does them coll ZFS demos are made

2007-01-11 Thread Vahid Moghaddasi
This is not really a ZFS question but I would like to know how those ZFS demo movies are made? They are really good for training the staff and demonstration. Thanks, This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@op

[zfs-discuss] Re: ZFS entry in /etc/vfstab

2007-01-11 Thread Vahid Moghaddasi
> On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 08:07:59PM -0800, Vahid > Moghaddasi wrote: > > > > Why would I ever need to specify ZFS mount(s) in > /etc/vfstab at all? I > > see it in some documents that zfs can be defined in > /etc/vfstab with > > fstype zfs. > > > > Besides legacy scripts or environments, this a

[zfs-discuss] blog: space vs MTTDL

2007-01-11 Thread Richard Elling
I've got a few articles in my blog backlog which you should find useful as you think about configuring ZFS. I just posted one on space vs MTTDL which should appear shortly. http://blogs.sun.com/relling Enjoy. -- richard ___ zfs-discuss mailing

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solid State Drives?

2007-01-11 Thread Richard Elling
Neil Perrin wrote: Jeremy Teo wrote On 01/11/07 01:38,: On 1/11/07, Erik Trimble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just a thought: would it be theoretically possible to designate some device as a system-wide write cache for all FS writes? Not just ZFS, but for everything... In a manner similar

[zfs-discuss] Rebel: 'We aided bin Laden escape'

2007-01-11 Thread Lesa Griffith
EPRT Has Wild 10 days as Stock climbs. Sym bol: EPRT On: PinkSheets 5-Days Target: $2.55 Long Term Target: $6.50 Exposure of there technology to the market has generated a great deal of interest and word on the street is that they are preparing a announcment concerning several large contracts

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solid State Drives?

2007-01-11 Thread Jason J. W. Williams
Hello all, Just my two cents on the issue. The Thumper is proving to be a terrific database server in all aspects except latency. While the latency is acceptable, being able to add some degree of battery-backed write cache that ZFS could use would be phenomenal. Best Regards, Jason On 1/11/07,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solid State Drives?

2007-01-11 Thread Jonathan Edwards
On Jan 11, 2007, at 15:42, Erik Trimble wrote: On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 10:35 -0800, Richard Elling wrote: The product was called Sun PrestoServ. It was successful for benchmarking and such, but unsuccessful in the market because: + when there is a failure, your data is spread across

Re: [zfs-discuss] Limit ZFS Memory Utilization

2007-01-11 Thread Mark Maybee
Jason J. W. Williams wrote: Hi Mark, That does help tremendously. How does ZFS decide which zio cache to use? I apologize if this has already been addressed somewhere. The ARC caches data blocks in the zio_buf_xxx() cache that matches the block size. For example, dnode data is stored on disk

Re: [zfs-discuss] Limit ZFS Memory Utilization

2007-01-11 Thread Jason J. W. Williams
Hi Mark, That does help tremendously. How does ZFS decide which zio cache to use? I apologize if this has already been addressed somewhere. Best Regards, Jason On 1/11/07, Mark Maybee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Al Hopper wrote: > On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Mark Maybee wrote: > >> Jason J. W. William

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solid State Drives?

2007-01-11 Thread Erik Trimble
On Thu, 2007-01-11 at 10:35 -0800, Richard Elling wrote: > The product was called Sun PrestoServ. It was successful for benchmarking > and such, but unsuccessful in the market because: > > + when there is a failure, your data is spread across multiple > fault domains > > + it

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solid State Drives?

2007-01-11 Thread Neil Perrin
Jeremy Teo wrote On 01/11/07 01:38,: On 1/11/07, Erik Trimble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just a thought: would it be theoretically possible to designate some device as a system-wide write cache for all FS writes? Not just ZFS, but for everything... In a manner similar to which we current

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solid State Drives?

2007-01-11 Thread Richard Elling
Erik Trimble wrote: Just a thought: would it be theoretically possible to designate some device as a system-wide write cache for all FS writes? Not just ZFS, but for everything... In a manner similar to which we currently use extra RAM as a cache for FS read (and write, to a certain extent)

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Adding disk to a RAID-Z?

2007-01-11 Thread Cindy Swearingen
Hi Peter, I think you must be referring to this section in the ZFS admin guide: http://docs.sun.com/app/docs/doc/819-5461/6n7ht6qrr?a=view If you are creating a RAID-Z configuration with many disks, as in this example, a RAID-Z configuration with 14 disks is better split into a two 7-disk gro

Re: [zfs-discuss] use the same zfs filesystem with differnet mountpoint

2007-01-11 Thread Bart Smaalders
Fabian Wörner wrote: I think of have solaris and mac os 10.5 on the same machine and mount same filesystem on to differnet point on each os. Is/will it possible or do I have to use sym. links? Since the mount point is stored in the ZFS pool, you'll need to use legacy mounts to do this. This

Re: [zfs-discuss] Help understanding some benchmark results

2007-01-11 Thread Bart Smaalders
Chris Smith wrote: G'day, all, So, I've decided to migrate my home server from Linux+swRAID+LVM to Solaris+ZFS, because it seems to hold much better promise for data integrity, which is my primary concern. However, naturally, I decided to do some benchmarks in the process, and I don't unders

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS entry in /etc/vfstab

2007-01-11 Thread Eric Schrock
On Wed, Jan 10, 2007 at 08:07:59PM -0800, Vahid Moghaddasi wrote: > > Why would I ever need to specify ZFS mount(s) in /etc/vfstab at all? I > see it in some documents that zfs can be defined in /etc/vfstab with > fstype zfs. > Besides legacy scripts or environments, this also may be required if

Re: [zfs-discuss] Limit ZFS Memory Utilization

2007-01-11 Thread Tomas Ögren
On 11 January, 2007 - Mark Maybee sent me these 4,7K bytes: > >It would seem, from reading between the lines of previous emails, > >particularly the ones you've (Mark M) written, that there is a rule of > >thumb that would apply given a standard or modified ncsize tunable?? > > > >I'm primarily in

Re: [zfs-discuss] Limit ZFS Memory Utilization

2007-01-11 Thread Mark Maybee
Al Hopper wrote: On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Mark Maybee wrote: Jason J. W. Williams wrote: Hi Robert, Thank you! Holy mackerel! That's a lot of memory. With that type of a calculation my 4GB arc_max setting is still in the danger zone on a Thumper. I wonder if any of the ZFS developers could shed s

Re: [zfs-discuss] use the same zfs filesystem with differnet mountpoint

2007-01-11 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 02:54:29PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > >I don't know if he can change the "mountpoint" however without jumping > >through hoops. > > Are legacy mount points recorded in ZFS? I though they just lived in > /etc/vfstab. If so, then that could work. Oooh, I hadn't t

Re: [zfs-discuss] use the same zfs filesystem with differnet mountpoint

2007-01-11 Thread Casper . Dik
>On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 11:52:19AM +, Darren J Moffat wrote: >> Fabian W??rner wrote: >> >I think of have solaris and mac os 10.5 on the same machine and mount same >> >filesystem on to differnet point on each os. >> >Is/will it possible or do I have to use sym. links? >> >> You can NOT mou

Re: [zfs-discuss] use the same zfs filesystem with differnet mountpoint

2007-01-11 Thread Brian Hechinger
On Thu, Jan 11, 2007 at 11:52:19AM +, Darren J Moffat wrote: > Fabian W??rner wrote: > >I think of have solaris and mac os 10.5 on the same machine and mount same > >filesystem on to differnet point on each os. > >Is/will it possible or do I have to use sym. links? > > You can NOT mount the s

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS entry in /etc/vfstab

2007-01-11 Thread Chad Mynhier
On 1/10/07, Vahid Moghaddasi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Hi, Why would I ever need to specify ZFS mount(s) in /etc/vfstab at all? I see it in some documents that zfs can be defined in /etc/vfstab with fstype zfs. Thanks. I don't think it's a question of needing to be able to do so as much as i

[zfs-discuss] Help understanding some benchmark results

2007-01-11 Thread Chris Smith
G'day, all, So, I've decided to migrate my home server from Linux+swRAID+LVM to Solaris+ZFS, because it seems to hold much better promise for data integrity, which is my primary concern. However, naturally, I decided to do some benchmarks in the process, and I don't understand why the results

Re: [zfs-discuss] use the same zfs filesystem with differnet mountpoint

2007-01-11 Thread Darren J Moffat
Fabian Wörner wrote: I think of have solaris and mac os 10.5 on the same machine and mount same filesystem on to differnet point on each os. Is/will it possible or do I have to use sym. links? You can NOT mount the same ZFS (or UFS of that matter) from more than one system at the same time, e

[zfs-discuss] use the same zfs filesystem with differnet mountpoint

2007-01-11 Thread Fabian Wörner
I think of have solaris and mac os 10.5 on the same machine and mount same filesystem on to differnet point on each os. Is/will it possible or do I have to use sym. links? This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-disc

Re: [zfs-discuss] Limit ZFS Memory Utilization

2007-01-11 Thread Sanjeev Bagewadi
Jason, Jason J. W. Williams wrote: Hi Robert, We've got the default ncsize. I didn't see any advantage to increasing it outside of NFS serving...which this server is not. For speed the X4500 is showing to be a killer MySQL platform. Between the blazing fast procs and the sheer number of spindle

Re: [zfs-discuss] Limit ZFS Memory Utilization

2007-01-11 Thread Sanjeev Bagewadi
Robert, Comments inline... Robert Milkowski wrote: Hello Jason, Wednesday, January 10, 2007, 9:45:05 PM, you wrote: JJWW> Sanjeev & Robert, JJWW> Thanks guys. We put that in place last night and it seems to be doing JJWW> a lot better job of consuming less RAM. We set it to 4GB and each of JJ

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Adding disk to a RAID-Z?

2007-01-11 Thread Peter Schuller
> PS> The ZFS administration guide mentions this recommendation, but does not > give PS> any hint as to why. A reader may assume/believe it's just general > adviced, PS> based on someone's opinion that with more than 9 drives, the > statistical PS> probability of failure is too high for raidz (or r

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solid State Drives?

2007-01-11 Thread Jeremy Teo
On 1/11/07, Erik Trimble <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Just a thought: would it be theoretically possible to designate some device as a system-wide write cache for all FS writes? Not just ZFS, but for everything... In a manner similar to which we currently use extra RAM as a cache for FS read (

Re: [zfs-discuss] Solid State Drives?

2007-01-11 Thread Erik Trimble
Just a thought: would it be theoretically possible to designate some device as a system-wide write cache for all FS writes? Not just ZFS, but for everything... In a manner similar to which we currently use extra RAM as a cache for FS read (and write, to a certain extent), it would be really

Re: [zfs-discuss] Re: Adding disk to a RAID-Z?

2007-01-11 Thread Erik Trimble
Robert Milkowski wrote: I don't know if ZFS MAN pages should teach people about RAID. If somebody doesn't understand RAID basics then some kind of tool where you just specify pool of disk and have to choose from: space efficient, performance, non-redundant and that's it - all the rest will be hi