Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD vs hybrid drive - any advice?

2011-07-25 Thread Orvar Korvar
How long have you been using a SSD? Do you see any performance decrease? I mean, ZFS does not support TRIM, so I wonder about long term effects... -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-discuss@opensolaris.org

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD vs hybrid drive - any advice?

2011-07-25 Thread Erik Trimble
On 7/25/2011 3:32 AM, Orvar Korvar wrote: How long have you been using a SSD? Do you see any performance decrease? I mean, ZFS does not support TRIM, so I wonder about long term effects... Frankly, for the kind of use that ZFS puts on a SSD, TRIM makes no impact whatsoever. TRIM is

Re: [zfs-discuss] Zil on multiple usb keys

2011-07-25 Thread Darren J Moffat
On 07/23/11 04:57, Michael DeMan wrote: Generally performance is going to pretty bad as well - USB sticks are not made to be written too rapidly. They are entirely different animals than SSDs. I would not be surprised (but would be curious to know if you still move forward on this) that you will

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD vs hybrid drive - any advice?

2011-07-25 Thread Tomas Ögren
On 25 July, 2011 - Erik Trimble sent me these 2,0K bytes: On 7/25/2011 3:32 AM, Orvar Korvar wrote: How long have you been using a SSD? Do you see any performance decrease? I mean, ZFS does not support TRIM, so I wonder about long term effects... Frankly, for the kind of use that ZFS puts

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD vs hybrid drive - any advice?

2011-07-25 Thread Joerg Schilling
Erik Trimble erik.trim...@oracle.com wrote: On 7/25/2011 3:32 AM, Orvar Korvar wrote: How long have you been using a SSD? Do you see any performance decrease? I mean, ZFS does not support TRIM, so I wonder about long term effects... Frankly, for the kind of use that ZFS puts on a SSD,

Re: [zfs-discuss] Summary: Dedup memory and performance (again, again)

2011-07-25 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Ian Collins Add to that: if running dedup, get plenty of RAM and cache. Add plenty RAM. And tweak your arc_meta_limit. You can at least get dedup performance that's on the same order of

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD vs hybrid drive - any advice?

2011-07-25 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Erik Trimble Honestly, I think TRIM isn't really useful for anyone. I'm going to have to disagree. There are only two times when TRIM isn't useful: 1) Your demand of the system is

[zfs-discuss] Large scale performance query

2011-07-25 Thread Phil Harrison
Hi All, Hoping to gain some insight from some people who have done large scale systems before? I'm hoping to get some performance estimates, suggestions and/or general discussion/feedback. I cannot discuss the exact specifics of the purpose but will go into as much detail as I can. Technical

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD vs hybrid drive - any advice?

2011-07-25 Thread Orvar Korvar
There is at least a common perception (misperception?) that devices cannot process TRIM requests while they are 100% busy processing other tasks. Just to confirm; SSD disks can do TRIM while processing other tasks? I heard that Illumos is working on TRIM support for ZFS and will release

Re: [zfs-discuss] Large scale performance query

2011-07-25 Thread Orvar Korvar
Wow. If you ever finish this monster, I would really like to hear more about the performance and how you connected everything. Could be useful as a reference for anyone else building big stuff. *drool* -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] Large scale performance query

2011-07-25 Thread Roberto Waltman
Phil Harrison wrote: Hi All, Hoping to gain some insight from some people who have done large scale systems before? I'm hoping to get some performance estimates, suggestions and/or general discussion/feedback. No personal experience, but you may find this useful: Petabytes on a budget

[zfs-discuss] ZFS Mount Options

2011-07-25 Thread Tony MacDoodle
I have a zfs pool called logs (about 200G). I would like to create 2 volumes using this chunk of storage. However, they would have different mount points. ie. 50G would be mounted as /oarcle/logs 100G would be mounted as /session/logs is this possible? Do I have to use the legacy mount

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS Mount Options

2011-07-25 Thread Andrew Gabriel
Tony MacDoodle wrote: I have a zfs pool called logs (about 200G). I would like to create 2 volumes using this chunk of storage. However, they would have different mount points. ie. 50G would be mounted as /oarcle/logs 100G would be mounted as /session/logs is this possible? Yes... zfs

Re: [zfs-discuss] Large scale performance query

2011-07-25 Thread Tiernan OToole
they dont go into too much detail on their setup, and they are not running Solaris, but they do mention how their SATA cards see different drives, based on where they are placed they also have a second revision at

Re: [zfs-discuss] Large scale performance query

2011-07-25 Thread Brandon High
On Sun, Jul 24, 2011 at 11:34 PM, Phil Harrison philha...@gmail.com wrote: What kind of performance would you expect from this setup? I know we can multiple the base IOPS by 24 but what about max sequential read/write? You should have a theoretical max close to 144x single-disk throughput.

Re: [zfs-discuss] Large scale performance query

2011-07-25 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
Workloads: Mainly streaming compressed data. That is, pulling compressed data in a sequential manner however could have multiple streams happening at once making it somewhat random. We are hoping to have 5 clients pull 500Mbit sustained. That shouldn't be much of a problem with that amount

Re: [zfs-discuss] Large scale performance query

2011-07-25 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
Even with a controller per JBOD, you'll be limited by the SAS connection. The 7k3000 has throughput from 115 - 150 MB/s, meaning each of your JBODs will be capable of 5.2 GB/sec - 6.8 GB/sec, roughly 10 times the bandwidth of a single SAS 6g connection. Use multipathing if you can to increase

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD vs hybrid drive - any advice?

2011-07-25 Thread Erik Trimble
On 7/25/2011 6:43 AM, Edward Ned Harvey wrote: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Erik Trimble Honestly, I think TRIM isn't really useful for anyone. I'm going to have to disagree. There are only two times when TRIM isn't

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD vs hybrid drive - any advice?

2011-07-25 Thread Erik Trimble
On 7/25/2011 4:28 AM, Tomas Ögren wrote: On 25 July, 2011 - Erik Trimble sent me these 2,0K bytes: On 7/25/2011 3:32 AM, Orvar Korvar wrote: How long have you been using a SSD? Do you see any performance decrease? I mean, ZFS does not support TRIM, so I wonder about long term effects...

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD vs hybrid drive - any advice?

2011-07-25 Thread Erik Trimble
On 7/25/2011 4:49 AM, joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Erik Trimbleerik.trim...@oracle.com wrote: On 7/25/2011 3:32 AM, Orvar Korvar wrote: How long have you been using a SSD? Do you see any performance decrease? I mean, ZFS does not support TRIM, so I wonder about long term

Re: [zfs-discuss] SSD vs hybrid drive - any advice?

2011-07-25 Thread Erik Trimble
On 7/25/2011 8:03 AM, Orvar Korvar wrote: There is at least a common perception (misperception?) that devices cannot process TRIM requests while they are 100% busy processing other tasks. Just to confirm; SSD disks can do TRIM while processing other tasks? I heard that Illumos is working on