Re: [zfs-discuss] cluster vs nfs

2012-04-26 Thread Nico Williams
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Richard Elling wrote: > [...] NFSv4 had migration in the protocol (excluding protocols between servers) from the get-go, but it was missing a lot (FedFS) and was not implemented until recently. I've no idea what clients and servers support it adequately besides

Re: [zfs-discuss] cluster vs nfs

2012-04-26 Thread Richard Elling
On Apr 25, 2012, at 11:00 PM, Nico Williams wrote: > On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 12:10 AM, Richard Elling > wrote: >> On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:30 PM, Carson Gaspar wrote: >> Reboot requirement is a lame client implementation. > > And lame protocol design. You could possibly migrate read-write NFSv3 >

Re: [zfs-discuss] [developer] Setting default user/group quotas[usage accounting]?

2012-04-26 Thread Richard Elling
On Apr 26, 2012, at 12:27 AM, Fred Liu wrote: > “zfs 'userused@' properties” and “'zfs userspace' command” are good enough to > gather usage statistics. > I think I mix that with NetApp. If my memory is correct, we have to set > quotas to get usage statistics under DataOnTAP. > Further, if we ca

Re: [zfs-discuss] [developer] Setting default user/group quotas[usage accounting]?

2012-04-26 Thread Fred Liu
>On 2012-04-26 11:27, Fred Liu wrote: >> "zfs 'userused@' properties" and "'zfs userspace' command" are good >> enough to gather usage statistics. >... >> Since no one is focusing on enabling default user/group quota now, the >> temporarily remedy could be a script which traverse all the >> users

Re: [zfs-discuss] cluster vs nfs

2012-04-26 Thread Nico Williams
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 5:45 PM, Carson Gaspar wrote: > On 4/26/12 2:17 PM, J.P. King wrote: >> I don't know SnapMirror, so I may be mistaken, but I don't see how you >> can have non-synchronous replication which can allow for seamless client >> failover (in the general case). Technically this doe

Re: [zfs-discuss] cluster vs nfs

2012-04-26 Thread J.P. King
Depends on how you define DR - we have shared storage HA in each datacenter (NetApp cluster), and replication between them in case we lose a datacenter (all clients on the MAN hit the same cluster unless we do a DR failover). The latter is what I'm calling DR. It's what I call HA. DR is wha

Re: [zfs-discuss] [developer] Setting default user/group quotas[usage accounting]?

2012-04-26 Thread Fred Liu
> >2012/4/26 Fred Liu > >Currently, dedup/compression is pool-based right now, they don't have the >granularity on file system or user or group level. There is also a lot of >improving  space in this aspect. > >Compression is not pool-based, you can control it with the 'compression' >property on a

Re: [zfs-discuss] cluster vs nfs

2012-04-26 Thread Carson Gaspar
On 4/26/12 2:17 PM, J.P. King wrote: Shared storage is evil (in this context). Corrupt the storage, and you have no DR. Now I am confused. We're talking about storage which can be used for failover, aren't we? In which case we are talking about HA not DR. Depends on how you define DR - we h

Re: [zfs-discuss] cluster vs nfs

2012-04-26 Thread J.P. King
Shared storage is evil (in this context). Corrupt the storage, and you have no DR. Now I am confused. We're talking about storage which can be used for failover, aren't we? In which case we are talking about HA not DR. That goes for all block-based replication products as well. This is no

Re: [zfs-discuss] cluster vs nfs

2012-04-26 Thread Carson Gaspar
On 4/25/12 10:10 PM, Richard Elling wrote: On Apr 25, 2012, at 8:30 PM, Carson Gaspar wrote: And applications that don't pin the mount points, and can be idled during the migration. If your migration is due to a dead server, and you have pending writes, you have no choice but to reboot the clie

Re: [zfs-discuss] cluster vs nfs

2012-04-26 Thread Freddie Cash
On Thu, Apr 26, 2012 at 4:34 AM, Deepak Honnalli wrote: >    cachefs is present in Solaris 10. It is EOL'd in S11. And for those who need/want to use Linux, the equivalent is FSCache. -- Freddie Cash fjwc...@gmail.com ___ zfs-discuss mailing list zfs-

Re: [zfs-discuss] [developer] Setting default user/group quotas[usage accounting]?

2012-04-26 Thread Eric Schrock
2012/4/26 Fred Liu > > ** ** > > Currently, dedup/compression is pool-based right now, they don’t have the > granularity on file system or user or group level. There is also a lot of > improving space in this aspect. > Compression is not pool-based, you can control it with the 'compression' prop

Re: [zfs-discuss] [developer] Setting default user/group quotas[usage accounting]?

2012-04-26 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2012-04-26 11:27, Fred Liu wrote: “zfs 'userused@' properties” and “'zfs userspace' command” are good enough to gather usage statistics. ... Since no one is focusing on enabling default user/group quota now, the temporarily remedy could be a script which traverse all the users/groups in the

Re: [zfs-discuss] cluster vs nfs

2012-04-26 Thread Deepak Honnalli
On 04/26/12 04:17 PM, Ian Collins wrote: On 04/26/12 10:12 PM, Jim Klimov wrote: On 2012-04-26 2:20, Ian Collins wrote: On 04/26/12 09:54 AM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Wed, 25 Apr 2012, Rich Teer wrote: Perhaps I'm being overly simplistic, but in this scenario, what would prevent one from hav

Re: [zfs-discuss] cluster vs nfs

2012-04-26 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2012-04-26 14:47, Ian Collins wrote: > I don't think it even made it into Solaris 10. Actually, I see the kernel modules available in both Solaris 10, several builds of OpenSolaris SXCE and an illumos-current. $ find /kernel/ /platform/ /usr/platform/ /usr/kernel/ | grep -i cachefs /kernel/fs

Re: [zfs-discuss] cluster vs nfs

2012-04-26 Thread Ian Collins
On 04/26/12 10:12 PM, Jim Klimov wrote: On 2012-04-26 2:20, Ian Collins wrote: On 04/26/12 09:54 AM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Wed, 25 Apr 2012, Rich Teer wrote: Perhaps I'm being overly simplistic, but in this scenario, what would prevent one from having, on a single file server, /exports/nod

Re: [zfs-discuss] cluster vs nfs

2012-04-26 Thread Tomas Forsman
On 26 April, 2012 - Jim Klimov sent me these 1,6K bytes: > Which reminds me: older Solarises used to have a nifty-looking > (via descriptions) cachefs, apparently to speed up NFS clients > and reduce traffic, which we did not get to really use in real > life. AFAIK Oracle EOLed it for Solaris 11,

Re: [zfs-discuss] cluster vs nfs

2012-04-26 Thread Jim Klimov
On 2012-04-26 2:20, Ian Collins wrote: On 04/26/12 09:54 AM, Bob Friesenhahn wrote: On Wed, 25 Apr 2012, Rich Teer wrote: Perhaps I'm being overly simplistic, but in this scenario, what would prevent one from having, on a single file server, /exports/nodes/node[0-15], and then having each node

Re: [zfs-discuss] [developer] Setting default user/group quotas[usage accounting]?

2012-04-26 Thread Fred Liu
“zfs 'userused@' properties” and “'zfs userspace' command” are good enough to gather usage statistics. I think I mix that with NetApp. If my memory is correct, we have to set quotas to get usage statistics under DataOnTAP. Further, if we can add an ILM-like feature to poll the time-related info(