Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL devices and fragmentation

2012-07-31 Thread opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk Also keep in mind that if you have an SLOG (ZIL on a separate device), and then lose this SLOG (disk crash etc), you will probably lose the pool. So if you

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL devices and fragmentation

2012-07-31 Thread opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Tim Cook I would think a flag to allow you to automatically continue with a disclaimer might be warranted (default behavior obviously requiring human input). This already exists. It's

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL devices and fragmentation

2012-07-30 Thread opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov Thanks... but doesn't your description imply that the sync writes would always be written twice? That is correct, regardless of whether you have slog or not. In the case of

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL devices and fragmentation

2012-07-30 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
For several times now I've seen statements on this list implying that a dedicated ZIL/SLOG device catching sync writes for the log, also allows for more streamlined writes to the pool during normal healthy TXG syncs, than is the case with the default ZIL located within the pool.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL devices and fragmentation

2012-07-30 Thread Freddie Cash
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 8:58 AM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk r...@karlsbakk.net wrote: For several times now I've seen statements on this list implying that a dedicated ZIL/SLOG device catching sync writes for the log, also allows for more streamlined writes to the pool during normal healthy

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL devices and fragmentation

2012-07-30 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
Also keep in mind that if you have an SLOG (ZIL on a separate device), and then lose this SLOG (disk crash etc), you will probably lose the pool. So if you want/need SLOG, you probably want two of them in a mirror… That's only true on older versions of ZFS. ZFSv19 (or 20?) includes the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL devices and fragmentation

2012-07-30 Thread Freddie Cash
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk r...@karlsbakk.net wrote: Also keep in mind that if you have an SLOG (ZIL on a separate device), and then lose this SLOG (disk crash etc), you will probably lose the pool. So if you want/need SLOG, you probably want two of them in a

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL devices and fragmentation

2012-07-30 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
- Opprinnelig melding - On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk r...@karlsbakk.net wrote: Also keep in mind that if you have an SLOG (ZIL on a separate device), and then lose this SLOG (disk crash etc), you will probably lose the pool. So if you want/need

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL devices and fragmentation

2012-07-30 Thread Freddie Cash
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk r...@karlsbakk.net wrote: On 151a2, man page just says 'use this or that mountpoint' with import -m, but the fact was zpool refused to import the pool at boot when 2 SLOG devices (mirrored) and 10 L2ARC devices were offline. Should

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL devices and fragmentation

2012-07-30 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 30 Jul 2012, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: Should OI/Illumos be able to boot cleanly without manual action with the SLOG devices gone? If this is allowed, then data may be unnecessarily lost. When the drives are not all in one chassis, then it is not uncommon for one chassis to not

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL devices and fragmentation

2012-07-30 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: - Opprinnelig melding - On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk r...@karlsbakk.net wrote: Also keep in mind that if you have an SLOG (ZIL on a separate device), and then lose this SLOG (disk crash etc), you will

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL devices and fragmentation

2012-07-30 Thread Tim Cook
On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.comwrote: On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: - Opprinnelig melding - On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk r...@karlsbakk.net wrote: Also keep in mind that if you have an

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL devices and fragmentation

2012-07-30 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 30, 2012, at 12:25 PM, Tim Cook wrote: On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 12:44 PM, Richard Elling richard.ell...@gmail.com wrote: On Jul 30, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk wrote: - Opprinnelig melding - On Mon, Jul 30, 2012 at 9:38 AM, Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk r...@karlsbakk.net

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL devices and fragmentation

2012-07-29 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 29, 2012, at 7:07 AM, Jim Klimov wrote: Hello, list For several times now I've seen statements on this list implying that a dedicated ZIL/SLOG device catching sync writes for the log, also allows for more streamlined writes to the pool during normal healthy TXG syncs, than is the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL devices and fragmentation

2012-07-29 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 07/29/2012 04:07 PM, Jim Klimov wrote: Hello, list Hi Jim, For several times now I've seen statements on this list implying that a dedicated ZIL/SLOG device catching sync writes for the log, also allows for more streamlined writes to the pool during normal healthy TXG syncs, than is

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL devices and fragmentation

2012-07-29 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-07-29 19:50, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 07/29/2012 04:07 PM, Jim Klimov wrote: For several times now I've seen statements on this list implying that a dedicated ZIL/SLOG device catching sync writes for the log, also allows for more streamlined writes to the pool during normal healthy TXG

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL devices and fragmentation

2012-07-29 Thread Sašo Kiselkov
On 07/29/2012 06:01 PM, Jim Klimov wrote: 2012-07-29 19:50, Sašo Kiselkov wrote: On 07/29/2012 04:07 PM, Jim Klimov wrote: For several times now I've seen statements on this list implying that a dedicated ZIL/SLOG device catching sync writes for the log, also allows for more streamlined

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL devices and fragmentation

2012-07-29 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sun, 29 Jul 2012, Jim Klimov wrote: For several times now I've seen statements on this list implying that a dedicated ZIL/SLOG device catching sync writes for the log, also allows for more streamlined writes to the pool during normal healthy TXG syncs, than is the case with the default ZIL

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL devices and fragmentation

2012-07-29 Thread opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov For several times now I've seen statements on this list implying that a dedicated ZIL/SLOG device catching sync writes for the log, also allows for more streamlined writes to

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL devices and fragmentation

2012-07-29 Thread Jim Klimov
2012-07-30 0:40, opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris пишет: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov For several times now I've seen statements on this list implying that a dedicated ZIL/SLOG device catching sync writes

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZIL devices and fragmentation

2012-07-29 Thread Richard Elling
On Jul 29, 2012, at 1:53 PM, Jim Klimov wrote: 2012-07-30 0:40, opensolarisisdeadlongliveopensolaris пишет: From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Jim Klimov For several times now I've seen statements on this list implying