Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-22 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Sat, Aug 21 at 4:13, Orvar Korvar wrote: And by the way: Wasn't there a comment of Linus Torvals recently that people shound move their low-quality code into the codebase ??? ;) Anyone knows the link? Good against the Linux fanboys. :o) Can't find the original reference, but I

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-22 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Eric D. Mudama On Sat, Aug 21 at 4:13, Orvar Korvar wrote: And by the way: Wasn't there a comment of Linus Torvals recently that people shound move their low-quality code into the codebase

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-21 Thread Orvar Korvar
And by the way: Wasn't there a comment of Linus Torvals recently that people shound move their low-quality code into the codebase ??? ;) Anyone knows the link? Good against the Linux fanboys. :o) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-19 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Linder, Doug there are an awful lot of places that actively DO NOT want the latest and greatest, and for good reason. Agreed. Latest-greatest has its place, which is not 24/7

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-19 Thread Paul B. Henson
On Wed, 18 Aug 2010, Erik Trimble wrote: While there were certainly a few folks who ran OpenSolaris in production (who absolutely needed the new features and couldn't wait until they made it to Solaris 10), Or those features that simply were never going to be backported to S10, particularly

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-18 Thread Frank Cusack
On 8/18/10 3:58 PM -0400 Linder, Doug wrote: Erik Trimble wrote: That said, stability vs new features has NOTHING to do with the OSS development model. It has everything to do with the RELEASE model. [...] All that said, using the OSS model for actual *development* of an Operating System is

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-17 Thread Rodrigo E . De León Plicet
On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 9:13 AM, David Magda dma...@ee.ryerson.ca wrote: On Aug 14, 2010, at 19:39, Kevin Walker wrote: I once watched a video interview with Larry from Oracle, this ass rambled on about how he hates cloud computing and that everyone was getting into cloud computing and in

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-16 Thread Joerg Moellenkamp
Fedora is a great beta test arena for what eventually becomes a commercial Enterprise offering. OpenSolaris was the Solaris equivalent. Losing the free bleeding edge testing community will no doubt impact on the Solaris code quality. I think code quality has nothing to do with open-sourcing

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-16 Thread Scott Meilicke
I had already begun the process of migrating my 134 boxes over to Nexenta before Oracle's cunning plans became known. This just reaffirms my decision. Us too. :) -- This message posted from opensolaris.org ___ zfs-discuss mailing list

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-16 Thread Carsten Aulbert
On Sunday 15 August 2010 11:56:22 Joerg Moellenkamp wrote: And by the way: Wasn't there a comment of Linus Torvals recently that people shound move their low-quality code into the codebase ??? ;) Yeah, those codes should be put into the staging part of the codebase, so that (more) people

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-15 Thread David Magda
On Aug 14, 2010, at 19:39, Kevin Walker wrote: I once watched a video interview with Larry from Oracle, this ass rambled on about how he hates cloud computing and that everyone was getting into cloud computing and in his opinion no one understood cloud computing, apart from him... :-|

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-15 Thread Garrett D'Amore
On Sun, 2010-08-15 at 07:38 -0700, Richard Jahnel wrote: FWIW I'm making a significant bet that Nexenta plus Illumos will be the future for the space in which I operate. I had already begun the process of migrating my 134 boxes over to Nexenta before Oracle's cunning plans became known.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-15 Thread Kevin Walker
To be fair, he did talk some sense about how everyone was claiming to have a product that was cloud computing, but I still don't like Oracle. With there current Java Patent war with Google and now this with OpenSolaris, it leaves a very bad taste in my mouth. Will this affect ZFS being used in

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-15 Thread Frank Cusack
On 8/14/10 10:18 PM -0700 Richard Elling wrote: On Aug 13, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Frank Cusack wrote: Interesting POV, and I agree. Most of the many distributions of OpenSolaris had very little value-add. Nexenta was the most interesting and why should Oracle enable them to build a business at

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-14 Thread Joerg Schilling
Mike M the.li...@mgm51.com wrote: Think: strategic business advantage. Oracle are not stupid, they recognize a jewel when they see one. Too bad that they decided to throw it into acid. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-14 Thread Frank Cusack
On 8/13/10 8:56 PM -0600 Eric D. Mudama wrote: On Fri, Aug 13 at 19:06, Frank Cusack wrote: Interesting POV, and I agree. Most of the many distributions of OpenSolaris had very little value-add. Nexenta was the most interesting and why should Oracle enable them to build a business at their

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-14 Thread Mark Bennett
On 8/13/10 8:56 PM -0600 Eric D. Mudama wrote: On Fri, Aug 13 at 19:06, Frank Cusack wrote: Interesting POV, and I agree. Most of the many distributions of OpenSolaris had very little value-add. Nexenta was the most interesting and why should Oracle enable them to build a business at their

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-14 Thread Kevin Walker
I once watched a video interview with Larry from Oracle, this ass rambled on about how he hates cloud computing and that everyone was getting into cloud computing and in his opinion no one understood cloud computing, apart from him... :-| From that day on I felt enlightened about Oracle and how

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-14 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Sat, 14 Aug 2010, Mark Bennett wrote: It is now even more likely Solaris will revert to it's niche on SPARC over the next few years. The probability of a retreat to SPARC direction is virtually zero. SPARC offers advantages in scalability, but its straight-line performance pales

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-14 Thread Frank Cusack
On 8/15/10 12:39 AM +0100 Kevin Walker wrote: and Oracle are very, very greedy... Let's not get all soft about OpenSolaris now ... all public companies are very, very greedy. They exist solely to make money. It's awesome that they make things that are useful, but it's just a way to meet the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-14 Thread Richard Elling
On Aug 13, 2010, at 7:06 PM, Frank Cusack wrote: Interesting POV, and I agree. Most of the many distributions of OpenSolaris had very little value-add. Nexenta was the most interesting and why should Oracle enable them to build a business at their expense? Markets dictate behaviour. Oracle

[zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-13 Thread Gary Mills
If this information is correct, http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=133043 further development of ZFS will take place behind closed doors. Opensolaris will become the internal development version of Solaris with no public distributions. The community has been abandoned. --

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-13 Thread Dick Hoogendijk
On 13-8-2010 22:43, Gary Mills wrote: If this information is correct, http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=133043 further development of ZFS will take place behind closed doors. Opensolaris will become the internal development version of Solaris with no public distributions.

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-13 Thread C. Bergström
Gary Mills wrote: If this information is correct, http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=133043 further development of ZFS will take place behind closed doors. Opensolaris will become the internal development version of Solaris with no public distributions. The community has

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-13 Thread Ray Van Dolson
On Fri, Aug 13, 2010 at 02:01:07PM -0700, C. Bergström wrote: Gary Mills wrote: If this information is correct, http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=133043 further development of ZFS will take place behind closed doors. Opensolaris will become the internal development

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-13 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Fri, 13 Aug 2010, Ray Van Dolson wrote: I'm interested to see how this plays out in actuality. It almost sounded like source code wouldn't necessarily be shared until major release were made... which would obviously make it hard for third party ZFS vendors to keep up in the interim. You

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-13 Thread Frank Cusack
On 8/14/10 4:01 AM +0700 C. Bergström wrote: Gary Mills wrote: If this information is correct, http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?threadID=133043 further development of ZFS will take place behind closed doors. Opensolaris will become the internal development version of Solaris with

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-13 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Fri, Aug 13 at 19:06, Frank Cusack wrote: Interesting POV, and I agree. Most of the many distributions of OpenSolaris had very little value-add. Nexenta was the most interesting and why should Oracle enable them to build a business at their expense? These distributions are, in theory, the

Re: [zfs-discuss] ZFS development moving behind closed doors

2010-08-13 Thread Mike M
On 8/13/2010 at 8:56 PM Eric D. Mudama wrote: |On Fri, Aug 13 at 19:06, Frank Cusack wrote: |Interesting POV, and I agree. Most of the many distributions of |OpenSolaris had very little value-add. Nexenta was the most interesting |and why should Oracle enable them to build a business at their