Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-21 Thread Linder, Doug
Andrej Podzimek wrote: 1) Btrfs does not have mature and user-friendly command-line tools. AFAIK, you can only list your snapshots and subvolumes by grep'ing the tree dump. ;-) I haven't looked closely at the btrfs commands recently, but from what I've seen, they're really amazingly

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-19 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Sat, Jul 17, 2010 at 12:57:40AM +0200, Richard Elling wrote: Because of BTRFS for Linux, Linux's popularity itself and also thanks to the Oracle's help. BTRFS does not matter until it is a primary file system for a dominant distribution. From what I can tell, the dominant Linux

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on

2010-07-19 Thread Joerg Schilling
Giovanni Tirloni gtirl...@sysdroid.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Miles Nordin car...@ivy.net wrote: IMHO it's important we don't get stuck running Nexenta in the same spot we're now stuck with OpenSolaris: with a bunch of CDDL-protected source that few people know how to use

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-19 Thread Anil Gulecha
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 3:31 PM, Pasi Kärkkäinen pa...@iki.fi wrote: Upcoming Ubuntu 10.10 will use BTRFS as a default. Though there was some discussion around this, I don't think the above is a given. The ubuntu devs would look at the status of the project, and decide closer to the release.

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on

2010-07-19 Thread Giovanni Tirloni
On Mon, Jul 19, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Joerg Schilling joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de wrote: Giovanni Tirloni gtirl...@sysdroid.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 18, 2010 at 10:19 PM, Miles Nordin car...@ivy.net wrote: IMHO it's important we don't get stuck running Nexenta in the same spot we're now

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-19 Thread Andrej Podzimek
Ubuntu always likes to be on the edge even if btrfs is far from being 'stable' I would not want to run a release that does this. Servers need stability and reliability. Btrfs is far from this. Well, it seems to me that this is a well-known and very popular „circle in proving“: A: XYZ is far

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-19 Thread Frank Middleton
On 07/19/10 07:26, Andrej Podzimek wrote: I run ArchLinux with Btrfs and OpenSolaris with ZFS. I haven't had a serious issue with any of them so far. Moblin/Meego ships with btrfs by default. COW file system on a cell phone :-). Unsurprisingly for a read-mostly file system it seems pretty

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on

2010-07-19 Thread Bob Friesenhahn
On Mon, 19 Jul 2010, Joerg Schilling wrote: The missing requirement to provide build scripts is a drawback of the CDDL. ...But believe me that the GPL would not help you here, as the GPL cannot force the original author (in this case Sun/Oracle or whoever) to supply the scripts in question.

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on

2010-07-19 Thread Andrej Podzimek
ap 2) there are still bugs that *must* be fixed before Btrfs can ap be seriously considered: ap http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-bt...@vger.kernel.org/msg05130.html I really don't think that's a show-stopper. He filled the disk with 2KB files. HE FILLED THE DISK WITH 2KB

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-19 Thread Robert Milkowski
On 16/07/2010 23:57, Richard Elling wrote: On Jul 15, 2010, at 4:48 AM, BM wrote: 2. No community = stale outdated code. But there is a community. What is lacking is that Oracle, in their infinite wisdom, has stopped producing OpenSolaris developer binary releases. Not to be

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on [was: Legality and the future of zfs...]

2010-07-19 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Pasi Kärkkäinen Redhat Fedora 13 includes BTRFS, but it's not used as a default (yet). RHEL6 beta also includes BTRFS support (tech preview), but again, Upcoming Ubuntu 10.10 will use

Re: [zfs-discuss] carrying on

2010-07-18 Thread Miles Nordin
re == Richard Elling rich...@nexenta.com writes: re we would very much like to see Oracle continue to produce re developer distributions which more closely track the source re changes. I'd rather someone else than Oracle did it. Until someone else is doing the ``building'',