Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-06-14 Thread Paul Kraus
On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Erik Trimble erik.trim...@oracle.com wrote: I'd have to re-look at the exact numbers, but, I'd generally say that 2x6raidz2 vdevs would be better than either 1x12raidz3 or 4x3raidz1 (or 3x4raidz1, for a home server not looking for super-critical protection (in

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-06-14 Thread Eric D. Mudama
On Tue, Jun 14 at 8:04, Paul Kraus wrote: On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Erik Trimble erik.trim...@oracle.com wrote: I'd have to re-look at the exact numbers, but, I'd generally say that 2x6raidz2 vdevs would be better than either 1x12raidz3 or 4x3raidz1 (or 3x4raidz1, for a home server not

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-06-14 Thread Paul Kraus
On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:48 AM, Eric D. Mudama edmud...@bounceswoosh.org wrote: On Tue, Jun 14 at  8:04, Paul Kraus wrote: I saw some stats a year or more ago that indicated the MTDL for raidZ2 was better than for a 2-way mirror. In order of best to worst I remember the rankings as:

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-06-13 Thread Dimitar Hadjiev
I can lay them out as 4*3-disk raidz1, 3*4-disk-raidz1 or a 1*12-disk raidz3 with nearly the same capacity (8-9 data disks plus parity). I see that with more vdevs the IOPS will grow - does this translate to better resilver and scrub times as well? Yes it would translate in better resilver times

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-06-13 Thread Erik Trimble
On 6/12/2011 5:08 AM, Dimitar Hadjiev wrote: I can lay them out as 4*3-disk raidz1, 3*4-disk-raidz1 or a 1*12-disk raidz3 with nearly the same capacity (8-9 data disks plus parity). I see that with more vdevs the IOPS will grow - does this translate to better resilver and scrub times as well?

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-05-31 Thread Paul Kraus
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 2:49 PM, Marty Scholes martyscho...@yahoo.com wrote: For what it's worth, I ran a 22 disk home array as a single RAIDZ3 vdev (19+3)for several months and it was fine.  These days I run a 32 disk array laid out as four vdevs, each an 8 disk RAIDZ2, i.e. 4x 6+2.

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-05-31 Thread Jim Klimov
Interesting, although makes sense ;) Now, I wonder about reliability (with large 2-3Tb drives and long scrub/resilver/replace times): say I have 12 drives in my box. I can lay them out as 4*3-disk raidz1, 3*4-disk-raidz1 or a 1*12-disk raidz3 with nearly the same capacity (8-9 data disks plus

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-05-29 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
And if the ZFS is supposedly smart enough to use request coalescing as to minimize mechanical seek times, then it might actually be possible that your disks would get stuck averagely serving requests from different parts of the platter, i.e. middle-inside and middle-outside and this

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-05-28 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Frank Van Damme 4 mirrors of 2 = sustained bandwidth of 4 disks raidz2 with 8 disks = sustained bandwidth of 6 disks Correction: 4 mirrors of 2 = sustained read bandwidth of 8 disks,

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-05-28 Thread Edward Ned Harvey
From: zfs-discuss-boun...@opensolaris.org [mailto:zfs-discuss- boun...@opensolaris.org] On Behalf Of Eugen Leitl How bad would raidz2 do on mostly sequential writes and reads (Athlon64 single-core, 4 GByte RAM, FreeBSD 8.2)? The best way is to go is striping mirrored pools, right? As far

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-05-27 Thread Frank Van Damme
2011/5/26 Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org: How bad would raidz2 do on mostly sequential writes and reads (Athlon64 single-core, 4 GByte RAM, FreeBSD 8.2)? The best way is to go is striping mirrored pools, right? I'm worried about losing the two wrong drives out of 8. These are all 7200.11

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-05-27 Thread Jim Klimov
2011-05-27 13:50, Frank Van Damme wrote: Sequential? Let's suppose no spares. 4 mirrors of 2 = sustained bandwidth of 4 disks raidz2 with 8 disks = sustained bandwidth of 6 disks Well, technically, for reads the mirrors might get parallelized to read different portions of data for separate

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-05-27 Thread Eugen Leitl
On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 04:38:15PM +0400, Jim Klimov wrote: And if the ZFS is supposedly smart enough to use request coalescing as to minimize mechanical seek times, then it might actually be possible that your disks would get stuck averagely serving requests from different parts of the

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-05-27 Thread Marty Scholes
2011/5/26 Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org: How bad would raidz2 do on mostly sequential writes and reads (Athlon64 single-core, 4 GByte RAM, FreeBSD 8.2)? The best way is to go is striping mirrored pools, right? I'm worried about losing the two wrong drives out of 8. These are all

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-05-26 Thread Roy Sigurd Karlsbakk
How bad would raidz2 do on mostly sequential writes and reads (Athlon64 single-core, 4 GByte RAM, FreeBSD 8.2)? The best way is to go is striping mirrored pools, right? I'm worried about losing the two wrong drives out of 8. These are all 7200.11 Seagates, refurbished. I'd scrub once a

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-05-26 Thread Brandon High
On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 9:34 AM, Eugen Leitl eu...@leitl.org wrote: How bad would raidz2 do on mostly sequential writes and reads (Athlon64 single-core, 4 GByte RAM, FreeBSD 8.2)? I was using a similar but slightly higher spec setup (quad-core cpu 8 GB RAM) at home and didn't have any problems

Re: [zfs-discuss] optimal layout for 8x 1 TByte SATA (consumer)

2011-05-26 Thread Ian Collins
On 05/27/11 04:34 AM, Eugen Leitl wrote: How bad would raidz2 do on mostly sequential writes and reads (Athlon64 single-core, 4 GByte RAM, FreeBSD 8.2)? The best way is to go is striping mirrored pools, right? I'm worried about losing the two wrong drives out of 8. These are all 7200.11