Re: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: John, The difference is that we have many GAs who have told us that portions of the Bible ARE symbolic. That leaves the Bible's historicity at least partially in question. Meanwhile, they have all told us that the BoM is literal.

Re: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
I appreciate your experience. Just don't think it's such a black and white issue. We've been told in a number of places in the scriptures that we don't know everything yet, and may have to exercise patience. In the meantime, we are free to compare speculations, so long as we do not harm the faith

RE: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 09:39 AM 11/7/2002, Jim cogently stated: Seems to me that the contention in this discussion is mostly based on semantic quibbling. We're talking about written records of history. Every incident and story related in these records is entirely symbolic. The words and letters that comprise a

Re: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
This is a very interesting comment,a nd sheds a lot of light on the subject at hand. We often try to read in our own modern, secular ideas of what *we* want the truth to be, rather than letting the record speak for itself, and we're often inconsistent. I have on my website a transcript of a talk

RE: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
I would like a listing of Steven E. Robinson's books so I might buy them. This one sounds interesting. Stacy. At 09:45 PM 11/07/2002 +, you wrote: This discussion by Stephen Robinson applies with equal validity to questions about the historical accuracy of the Bible... Naturalistic

RE: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Jim Cobabe
Stacy Smith wrote: --- I would like a listing of Steven E. Robinson's books so I might buy them. This one sounds interesting. --- Robinson has written three books that are included on my GospeLink collection. ARE MORMONS CHRISTIANS? by Stephen E. Robinson Bookcraft Salt Lake City, Utah 1991

Re: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Jim Cobabe wrote: Stacy Smith wrote: --- I would like a listing of Steven E. Robinson's books so I might buy them. This one sounds interesting. --- Robinson has written three books that are included on my GospeLink collection. ARE MORMONS CHRISTIANS? by Stephen E. Robinson

Re: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
Do we have any of these in immediate electronic form I could look at on a web site? Stacy. At 08:35 PM 11/07/2002 -0700, you wrote: Jim Cobabe wrote: Stacy Smith wrote: --- I would like a listing of Steven E. Robinson's books so I might buy them. This one sounds interesting. ---

RE: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-07 Thread Stacy Smith
Thanks. Stacy. At 07:49 PM 11/07/2002 -0900, you wrote: After much pondering, Stacy Smith favored us with: I would like a listing of Steven E. Robinson's books so I might buy them. This one sounds interesting. /

Re: [ZION] Bible vs. the Scientists

2002-11-06 Thread Marc A. Schindler
John W. Redelfs wrote: After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: This is a misrepresentation. Those who deny the historicity of the Book of Mormon deny that it was the record of an ancient people, but rather that it was a result of Joseph Smith's creativity. This is a lot

Re: [ZION] Bible vs. the Scientists

2002-11-06 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Dan, put another way, the difference between us and Biblicists is that they believe the Bible to *be* the word of God in an existential, substantive, an und für sich (in and of itself) sense, whereas we believe it is a *record* of the word of God, to be preached from, and interpreted by prophets.

[ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-06 Thread Gary Smith
John, The difference is that we have many GAs who have told us that portions of the Bible ARE symbolic. That leaves the Bible's historicity at least partially in question. Meanwhile, they have all told us that the BoM is literal. Signaturi don't want to believe that any scripture is historically

Re: [ZION] Bible vs the Scientists

2002-11-06 Thread Marc A. Schindler
Gary Smith wrote: John, The difference is that we have many GAs who have told us that portions of the Bible ARE symbolic. That leaves the Bible's historicity at least partially in question. Meanwhile, they have all told us that the BoM is literal. Signaturi don't want to believe that any

[ZION] Bible vs. the Scientists

2002-11-05 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Dan R Allen favored us with: The historical literalness of the bible is not as important as the spiritual understanding behind the events told about. - Whether or not Cain and Able were farmers and herders of sheep, and the direct literal sons of Adam is not as critical as

Re: [ZION] Bible vs. the Scientists

2002-11-05 Thread Marc A. Schindler
This is a misrepresentation. Those who deny the historicity of the Book of Mormon deny that it was the record of an ancient people, but rather that it was a result of Joseph Smith's creativity. This is a lot different from realizing that the scriptures are written in multiple layers, and that to

Re: [ZION] Bible vs. the Scientists

2002-11-05 Thread John W. Redelfs
After much pondering, Marc A. Schindler favored us with: This is a misrepresentation. Those who deny the historicity of the Book of Mormon deny that it was the record of an ancient people, but rather that it was a result of Joseph Smith's creativity. This is a lot different from realizing that