[ZION] Notice from Listowner

2003-01-25 Thread John W. Redelfs
Because the server is up and running again on Smartgroups, I have once again turned the Zion list off at Topica. However, I have not deleted the Zion list. I have just made it an "announcement/newsletter" list. I have done this so that all of you will have access to the Zion list archives at

[ZION] conditional divine love

2003-01-25 Thread Gerald Smith
I think the key to it is not the love part, but the unconditional blessing part. God in stating he hated Esau, was saying he did not favor Esau, or that he rejected him, because of Esau's actions and sins. However, what if Esau were to repent? Would God still hate him and reject him? Of course not.

[ZION] conditional divine love

2003-01-25 Thread Gerald Smith
I think Elder Nelson was defining "unconditional love" as a kind of love where God would love all of us so very much that he would forgive everyone, regardless of what we've done or whether we had repented or not. Using that definition, he is correct that there is no such thing as 'unconditional lo

Re: [ZION] Principles of a Moral War

2003-01-25 Thread Stacy Smith
No one has satisfactorily answered the question for me how we go about not offending these tyrants like Saddam. Stacy. At 09:55 AM 01/25/2003 -0700, you wrote: Although I reserve the right to add to the definition as I may gain further light and knowledge, I would offer these as guiding princip

[ZION] Principles of a Moral War

2003-01-25 Thread George Cobabe
Although I reserve the right to add to the definition as I may gain further light and knowledge, I would offer these as guiding principles in waging war in a moral manner. What think ye? 1) We defend ourselves even if it means shedding blood, whenever our life, liberty, and the pursuit of happi