RE: [ZION] working woman
Well, there IS a way to follow prophetic counsel AND work where there is a husband in the home...and it looks like I'm about to embark upon it. I'm going to start doing child care in my home, so I'll be at home with my own children yet bringing in income. I'm also considering giving piano lessons from my home. And I'm also considering taking night classes in medical transcription (I have work experience from my college years in it, but I need to sharpen my skills and there is a program near my home) so that I do that from home. I have a friend from high school, who is LDS and lives in Arizona. She and her husband have 4 children, and though she is trained in other things, she took a course in medical transcription so that she could work from home, and she gets paid very well for her work, which is part time. Now, Jim, you have to admit that there are circumstances when a woman HAS to work outside the home. Val in Mishawaka has to...she is a widow; her family depends on her. The time may come when I will have to...my husband will likely be unable to work due to physical disability in the next 5 years. I really should be doing more to prepare to support my family, but right now I feel like I should be at home. I will, in the next year, probably be taking part time college courses to finish up my last year of bachelor's degree work. We hope to eventually transfer to Louisville, and then I can go to law school, which I've always wanted to do. Once my husband becomes unable to work, we will likely move east, closer to my parents (and a bit closer to his family, too), to have the help support of family. Be careful, Jim, of painting all LDS working women with the same brush. Heidi [Original Message] From: Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 9/19/2003 9:12:23 AM Subject: RE: [ZION] working woman With regard to applying prophetic counsel, where is the line between personal prerogative and inspiration, and personal apostasy? 2 Sam 6:6-7 And when they came to Nachon's threshingfloor, Uzzah put forth his hand to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook it. And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for his error; and there he died by the ark of God. I note that in the original ark-steadying incident, it would certainly appear that the imperative of the moment was a more important consideration than any more formal rules. When do such considerations assume overriding priority? What about testing the Lord's word? Do we give an honest try to obeying prophetic counsel, then abandon that when we have decided that our circumstances warrant some other course of action? // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] confiding in bishops
Their desire, in my opinion, is to coach the person seeking help to get personal revelation and help solve their own problems. At times they have referred people to therapists. Stacy. At 10:28 PM 09/19/2003 -0400, you wrote: Jim Cobabe wrote: Counsel with the bishop is a standard answer. As a problem solving strategy, it usually doesn't work at all, at least in my experience. Bishops don't have effective answers for any but the most routine problems. Many of them are good at running LDS wards, but terrible as personal counselors. = Grampa Bill comments: As a former Bishop of the Savannah First Ward, I tend to agree. While I was given the keys to receive revelation on behalf of the ward, I was not given revelation on behalf of Brother Smith's family. Brother Smith himself solely had that right. Incidently, as I understand the order of the Church, neither the Stake President, the Area President, The Brethren, nor the Prophet hold such keys. They are given only to Brother Smith. Of course, Sister Smith had the right to revelation in living her own life. About all a bishop can do is look to see if the members are following generalized counsel as given in the scriptures and by the Brethren, and counsel them to move in that direction. If he goes further, it is at his own peril. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] working woman
I wish I could work at all. The Department of Rehabilitation in this county has evaluated me and decided I am unemployable. This is no laughing matter for me and has caused me much depression. Seeing I have no children, employment outside the home should not have been a problem for me. Stacy. At 06:45 AM 09/20/2003 -0500, you wrote: Well, there IS a way to follow prophetic counsel AND work where there is a husband in the home...and it looks like I'm about to embark upon it. I'm going to start doing child care in my home, so I'll be at home with my own children yet bringing in income. I'm also considering giving piano lessons from my home. And I'm also considering taking night classes in medical transcription (I have work experience from my college years in it, but I need to sharpen my skills and there is a program near my home) so that I do that from home. I have a friend from high school, who is LDS and lives in Arizona. She and her husband have 4 children, and though she is trained in other things, she took a course in medical transcription so that she could work from home, and she gets paid very well for her work, which is part time. Now, Jim, you have to admit that there are circumstances when a woman HAS to work outside the home. Val in Mishawaka has to...she is a widow; her family depends on her. The time may come when I will have to...my husband will likely be unable to work due to physical disability in the next 5 years. I really should be doing more to prepare to support my family, but right now I feel like I should be at home. I will, in the next year, probably be taking part time college courses to finish up my last year of bachelor's degree work. We hope to eventually transfer to Louisville, and then I can go to law school, which I've always wanted to do. Once my husband becomes unable to work, we will likely move east, closer to my parents (and a bit closer to his family, too), to have the help support of family. Be careful, Jim, of painting all LDS working women with the same brush. Heidi [Original Message] From: Jim Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 9/19/2003 9:12:23 AM Subject: RE: [ZION] working woman With regard to applying prophetic counsel, where is the line between personal prerogative and inspiration, and personal apostasy? 2 Sam 6:6-7 And when they came to Nachon's threshingfloor, Uzzah put forth his hand to the ark of God, and took hold of it; for the oxen shook it. And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Uzzah; and God smote him there for his error; and there he died by the ark of God. I note that in the original ark-steadying incident, it would certainly appear that the imperative of the moment was a more important consideration than any more formal rules. When do such considerations assume overriding priority? What about testing the Lord's word? Do we give an honest try to obeying prophetic counsel, then abandon that when we have decided that our circumstances warrant some other course of action? // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] working woman
Stacy Smith wrote: I wish I could work at all. The Department of Rehabilitation in this county has evaluated me and decided I am unemployable. This is no laughing matter for me and has caused me much depression. Seeing I have no children, employment outside the home should not have been a problem for me. A number of years ago I was a telephone salesman, selling magazine advertising over the telephone. I got really good at it after weeks of failure. I'll bet a blind person could do it better than a sighted person because they would be more sensitive to the subtle nuances in the voice of both themselves and their prospective customers. Of course some people don't like that kind of work. Come to think of it, some people don't like any kind of work. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === There is no place in this work for those who believe only in the gospel of doom and gloom. The gospel is good news. It is a message of triumph. --Gordon B. Hinckley === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] working woman
That's not true of me. I loved medical transcription but did not have the necessary speed required and the references I was able to get became out of date soon. I loved it and I could learn to love something else. Stacy. At 08:55 AM 09/20/2003 -0800, you wrote: Stacy Smith wrote: I wish I could work at all. The Department of Rehabilitation in this county has evaluated me and decided I am unemployable. This is no laughing matter for me and has caused me much depression. Seeing I have no children, employment outside the home should not have been a problem for me. A number of years ago I was a telephone salesman, selling magazine advertising over the telephone. I got really good at it after weeks of failure. I'll bet a blind person could do it better than a sighted person because they would be more sensitive to the subtle nuances in the voice of both themselves and their prospective customers. Of course some people don't like that kind of work. Come to think of it, some people don't like any kind of work. John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === There is no place in this work for those who believe only in the gospel of doom and gloom. The gospel is good news. It is a message of triumph. --Gordon B. Hinckley === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
