[ZION] Catholics and Mormons
Mixed feelings are noted. We must draw some lines as to how helpful we are. I don't believe we will be donating anytime directly to the Vatican for a new wheelchair for the Pope. There is a major difference between false creeds and other churches. We are not supporting nor defending false creeds in our works with other religions. We are seeking to promote Christian acts within ourselves. Moroni 7 tells us that those things that encourage good acts and lead to Christ are of God. Well, that tells me that there are righteous things within the Catholic Church. In those things, we have a commonality with the Catholics, which should be encouraged, so as not to throw out the baby (or future converts) with the bathwater. Remember, both the Pope and Mother Teresa have been praised in the past few years by Apostles of our Church, for their stances on certain issues we can't discuss here. K'aya K'ama, Gerald (Gary) Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html LDS Evidences, Family History, Food Storage, etc. JWR: I have mixed feelings about befriending other churches. It seems to me that we should befriend individuals and not false churches. After all, false churches teach false doctrine and in doing so they fight against the truth. If false churches aren't the church of the devil, what is? Maybe nothing is, do you think? John W. Redelfs // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Catholics and Mormons unite
First off, this comes close to attacking the prophets and is a charter violation, so I'd be more careful in what you say, Paul. Second, we condemn false teachings and creeds, not peoples and religions. Although the Catholic Church is fallen from the fullness of the truth, there still is truth there. If we work with them in good things, we will catch many more flies with honey than with vinegar. There is a Church of the Lamb and a Church of the Devil. However, there is nothing that signifies the Catholic Church as the Church of the Devil. In fact, DC 76 would establish those followers of Catholicism as Terrestrial, or honorable men of the world. Both Joseph Smith and Brigham Young taught that we need to find truth wherever it is found and make it ours. Brigham said that even if it were found in hell, we should go there and claim it as our own. Christ taught us to be charitable, to strengthen those who struggle with the truth. And doesn't that apply to all people? Or was Christ selective in who would/could be saved? Our Church shows a Christ-like kindness and love towards others. This opens doors for us that make much greater opportunities to teach the gospel and effect the establishment of Zion. Does not the DC and New Testament both tell us to make friends with Mammon, so that we are not destroyed? Clearly there is wisdom in what the Church is doing. K'aya K'ama, Gerald (Gary) Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html LDS Evidences, Family History, Food Storage, etc. Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2003 10:08:33 -0600 From: Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Catholics Mormons unite The Catholics are using the Mormon building for their own release time seminary per Church News article. I'm sure the relationship between the LDS and Catholic church will grow and strengthen because of things like this. I'm hoping that it will put us on a road of mutual respect and appreciation that will last for a long time until the future. What is going on here? What about the two churches spoken of in the Book of Mormon, i.e. the Church of the Lamb and the Church of the Devil? I guess no one believes it anymore. The Church sure has changed. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Catholics Mormons unite
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 17:45:22 -0700 George Cobabe [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thought you might like to read a short paper I wrote which may have some application to the question. George [Nothing by George follows.] Wow! That WAS a short paper! *jeep! --Chet PS: The actual paper really was worth waiting for, George! The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] Starts With G Gulf
Natasha is still holding my Gossip post I see. For today I'll just dredge up an old poem that I wrote earlier this year. It covers the Gulf subject quite well. Sonnet 277 1 Nephi 15:28 By Tom Matkin March 28, 2003 Along each briny ocean beach and shore There's straits and inlets, seas and sounds and bays And also, everywhere, there's gulfs galore They're quite the widespread geographic craze. The Gulf of Mexico is one we know The Gulf of Bothnia a rarer brand And ev'ry map will almost surely show A Gulf in Aden, Oman, and Thailand. The Persian Gulf, just now, is really strong The Gulf of Guinea never had a voice But there's no greater gulf in word or song Than that which comes from exercise of choice. Between the saints of God and wicked ends: The awful Gulf of Misery, my friends. Tom // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Catholics Mormons unite
On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:43:26 + Tom Matkin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I note that the Church is independent of all other churches in terms of doctrine, programs, missionary work, ordinances, and other matters of theology and administration... Ok, Tom. I buy your explanation. thumbs up How about you JWR, do you buy it too? Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] Israelites in Egypt
Gerald Smith wrote: There's an article in the Sep/Oct 2003 Biblical Archaeological Review (BAR) magazine from Manfred Bietak, a well-known Egyptologist, on finding evidence of the Israelites in Egypt... He dates the site to the time of Ramses IV, Ramses IV reigned from 1153-1147 BC, so it is possible that the Exodus, according to him didn't occur until 1150-1125 BC. I thought this interesting, and their evidence rather compelling for the dating and evidence of an Exodus in the timeframe cited. == Grampa Bill comments: Some people just can't let sleeping Pauls lie. :-) Seriously Paul, how does this fit with your chronology? Love y'all. Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Apostate Cat
Since it is one of my favorites. I dug this out of my archives: The Apostate Cat by Tom Matkin Through the yard on stealthy feet He prowls the dank and dismal spot. His prey is not what's fit to eat, But putrid things of filth and rot. To master's feet with feline moves He proudly drags his gruesome prize. The master always disapproves; The cat, he always feigns surprise. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
[ZION] Wish List
I am compiling a wish list of people I miss, people that I wish would actively participate on the list. Would any of you care to help me make my wish list? Stephen Beecroft Johnna Cornett Tom Valletta Jeff Farinacci Dave Kenison Dave Crockett Sandy Rabinowitz Tag Goodspeed Yuko Takei Denny Koyle Sandra Riner Darryl MacKenzie David Wright Tammie Reber Dan Allen Newell Wright Lance Bledsoe John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === While we cannot agree with others on certain matters, we must never be disagreeable. We must be friendly, soft-spoken, neighborly, and understanding. (President Gordon B. Hinckley, October 2003) === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
