Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms

2003-09-10 Thread Stacy Smith
How utterly repugnant! Moldy bread representing the body of Christ! Stacy. At 10:56 PM 09/09/2003 -0400, you wrote: Did the revelation allow the use of moldy bread as our Teachers tried to do once when they wanted to use some bread left in the container we use to bring the Sacrament trays back

Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms

2003-09-10 Thread Jon Spencer
Perhaps now you can begin to understand why you cannot teach (the Teachers) if ye have not the Spirit! Jon - Original Message - From: Stacy Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the

Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms

2003-09-09 Thread Paul Osborne
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:20:15 GMT Larry Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Stacy Smith: I may be a dunce on this one, but where is the true symbolism of Jesus' lifeblood being crushed out of him and him being bruised for our iniquities with the current use of water in our Sacrament?

Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms

2003-09-09 Thread Grampa Bill in Savannah
Paul Osborne wrote: Joseph Smith went out and bought real wine because real wine seemed like the thing to do and everyone liked the taste of wine-- or people wouldn't have drunk it all the time. Grampa Bill comments: Well, no, Paul. I 'spect he bought wine

Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms

2003-09-09 Thread Jon Spencer
Did the revelation allow the use of moldy bread as our Teachers tried to do once when they wanted to use some bread left in the container we use to bring the Sacrament trays back and forth to the school we meet in because someone forgot to bring the bread? (A quick trip to my house solved this

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2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
I may be a dunce on this one, but where is the true symbolism of Jesus' lifeblood being crushed out of him and him being bruised for our iniquities with the current use of water in our Sacrament? With grape juice we'd have the proper symbolism, but I fail to see the proper symbolism

Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms

2003-09-08 Thread Maj Tom Merrill
The overwhelming majority of the liquid content of blood is water and, for that matter, the same goes with grapejuice. When you think of it that way, it works. Tom Stacy Smith wrote: I may be a dunce on this one, but where is the true symbolism of Jesus' lifeblood being crushed out of him

Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms

2003-09-08 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
Don't overlook the symbolism of the well of living water, the water of life, and the water of rebirth. Also, IIRC, the use of water was a practical solution to a societal problem, referenced in the Doctrine and Covenants. Till At 01:13 PM 9/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: The overwhelming majority

Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms

2003-09-08 Thread Steven Montgomery
At 12:13 PM 9/8/2003, you wrote: Don't overlook the symbolism of the well of living water, the water of life, and the water of rebirth. Also, IIRC, the use of water was a practical solution to a societal problem, referenced in the Doctrine and Covenants. Till Yes, they didn't want to get

RE: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms

2003-09-08 Thread Larry Jackson
Stacy Smith: I may be a dunce on this one, but where is the true symbolism of Jesus' lifeblood being crushed out of him and him being bruised for our iniquities with the current use of water in our Sacrament? With grape juice we'd have the proper symbolism, but I fail to see the proper

Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms

2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Grapes have to be pressed to make juice. Stacy. At 02:27 PM 09/08/2003 -0600, you wrote: How is grape juice a better symbol than water? the color? Other than that there is little difference. George - Original Message - From: Larry Jackson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent:

RE: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms

2003-09-08 Thread Stacy Smith
Of course, these were extreme times when our enemies could really do things to us. Stacy. At 08:20 PM 09/08/2003 +, you wrote: Stacy Smith: I may be a dunce on this one, but where is the true symbolism of Jesus' lifeblood being crushed out of him and him being bruised for our iniquities