[ZION] In the World

2002-11-19 Thread Gary Smith
You know, I really like a lot of what Nibley says. However, he more often points out the questions, without fleshing out the answers. He tells us he has chosen consecration. Yet, he doesn't mention how he implements it. Was he living consecration when he held off being married until he was in his f

[ZION] In the World

2002-11-19 Thread Gary Smith
But it is possible. We may be sinners now, but the Lord has shown us that we can become perfected through Him. There are perfect men living on the earth right now. At one point, they were sinners and required the atonement of Christ to atone for those sins. Since then, they have achieved a level of

[ZION] In the World

2002-11-19 Thread Gary Smith
Here are a few uses of the statement: "Church members today are not a geographically or politically separate people; we are mingled among the people of the world—and for the Lord's purposes. So the prophetic counsel given is often to be individually applied, but it still requires the same obedienc

RE: [ZION] In the World

2002-11-18 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 18:45 11/18/2002 +, Gib Mij wrote: Yes, my friend, this is the exact passage that has prompted this question. I read this a couple months ago and have been pondering it in my heart. Now, I'm trying to track down where it started (was it, in fact, Diogones, and what was the work and t

Re: [ZION] In the World

2002-11-18 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 11:32 11/18/2002 -0700, M Marc wrote: That's a darned good question. The Sufis use this saying (that's a mystical branch of Sunni Islam especially common in Egypt and Turkey), and it's also well known in Catholic and Mennonite traditions. My guess is that it came into creedal Christianity as

RE: [ZION] In the World

2002-11-18 Thread Jim Cobabe
Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: --- "In the world but not of it" or something of it's ilk. What's the source of the saying? --- According to Nibley-- That is, when I find myself called upon to stand up and be counted, to declare myself on one side or the other, which do I prefer—gin or rum, cigare

Re: [ZION] In the World

2002-11-18 Thread Paul Osborne
>"It is possible to live in the world and not partake of the sins of the world." >Ezra Taft Benson--Apr 1991 >First Presidency Message "Keys to Successful Member-Missionary Work" No. It is not possible for any of us. We are all sinners. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___

Re: [ZION] In the World

2002-11-18 Thread Marc A. Schindler
That's a darned good question. The Sufis use this saying (that's a mystical branch of Sunni Islam especially common in Egypt and Turkey), and it's also well known in Catholic and Mennonite traditions. My guess is that it came into creedal Christianity as an aphorism via Augustine, but that's a gue

Re:[ZION] In the World

2002-11-18 Thread Val
quot;Elmer L. Fairbank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [ZION] In the World Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2002 11:50:04 -0500 OK, Zionisti, research time. "In the world but not of it" or something of it'

[ZION] In the World

2002-11-18 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
OK, Zionisti, research time. "In the world but not of it" or something of it's ilk. What's the source of the saying? Till the questioning // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.