Re: [ZION] Assyria
I'm a little late in on the thread (have spent most of the day with family as it's Thanksgiving here) but -- and I stand to be corrected by a reference, of course -- but I don't think Gileadi made specific one-to-one comparisons like this. From my understanding of Isaian typology that's not the point. We think in terms of "nation states" today, but that's a political phenomenon that arose out of the industrial revolution. A nation state is "Assyrian" to the extent that it engages in militarist activity -- Canada is, in its way, Assyrian, too, as is Britain (especially in the past). So it's more like a characteristic than it is an identity. "John W. Redelfs" wrote: > After careful consideration, Gary Smith wrote: > >I only fear that such wars would quickly change to wars of pure > >destruction, and not of preparation. If I'm not mistaken, I think Gileadi > >compares the US with Egypt, and Russia with Assyria. We have problems in > >this country, no doubt. However, I believe that there are enough righteous > >people to still make a difference. > > To make a difference in their own lives, or in the life of the > nation? Clinton was reelected after everyone knew how immoral he was. And > George W. Bush just barely became president after running against Al > Gore. It seems to me that the majority held by the righteous has dwindled > to the point where it either exists by a thread, or it has become a > minority. What do you think? > > John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] > === > "It may be, for instance, that nothing except the power of > faith and the authority of the priesthood can save > individuals and congregations from the atomic holocausts > that surely shall be." --Bruce R. McConkie > === > All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR > > / > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Assyria
After careful consideration, Gary Smith wrote: >I only fear that such wars would quickly change to wars of pure >destruction, and not of preparation. If I'm not mistaken, I think Gileadi >compares the US with Egypt, and Russia with Assyria. We have problems in >this country, no doubt. However, I believe that there are enough righteous >people to still make a difference. To make a difference in their own lives, or in the life of the nation? Clinton was reelected after everyone knew how immoral he was. And George W. Bush just barely became president after running against Al Gore. It seems to me that the majority held by the righteous has dwindled to the point where it either exists by a thread, or it has become a minority. What do you think? John W. Redelfs [EMAIL PROTECTED] === "It may be, for instance, that nothing except the power of faith and the authority of the priesthood can save individuals and congregations from the atomic holocausts that surely shall be." --Bruce R. McConkie === All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Assyria
After careful consideration, Gary Smith wrote: >We may help establish freedom in Iraq. I think many Arabs are interested >in the gospel, however their current dictatorships and religious police >will not allow them to even say the word, "Mormon." God does work through >Zion, however I know that he sometimes works through wars of preparation >as well. Gary, I've heard you make the distinction between "wars of preparation" and "wars of final destruction." Could you explain to us the difference, and where you picked up on this phrase. Is it language from some title that you have read? --JWR / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
[ZION] Assyria
We may help establish freedom in Iraq. I think many Arabs are interested in the gospel, however their current dictatorships and religious police will not allow them to even say the word, "Mormon." God does work through Zion, however I know that he sometimes works through wars of preparation as well. Look at how many of the wars of the last century have helped prepare nations of the world for the gospel. Today, more than half of Korea is Christian. Japan would not have a temple today if it weren't for the changes occurring due to WWII. Perhaps a war of preparation would do well in the Middle East. I only fear that such wars would quickly change to wars of pure destruction, and not of preparation. If I'm not mistaken, I think Gileadi compares the US with Egypt, and Russia with Assyria. We have problems in this country, no doubt. However, I believe that there are enough righteous people to still make a difference. K'aya K'ama, Gerald/gary Smithgszion1 @juno.comhttp://www .geocities.com/rameumptom/index.html "No one is as hopelessly enslaved as the person who thinks he's free." - Johann Wolfgang von Goethe Marc: We will not establish freedom by overthrowing Saddam Hussein. Did I post the response from Dan Peterson here, a response to someone on another list who had said that the Arabs are not interested in the Gospel? The very day he responded to me he and his wife were having dinner with the Jordanian ambassador, a member of the Q12, a 70, and their wives. The work is going forward, but God works through Zion, not through Assyria. We need to get our nations back to Zion and away from Assyria/Babylon. GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
