RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-06 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 10:23 PM 11/5/2003 -0500, Uncle Ron wrote:
Mormons talk too much, I think.


Ayup!

Till the wordy  (BTW, for some of you, that's down-east for yes)

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RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott


> -Original Message-
> From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:48 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1
>
>
> Ron Scott wrote:
> >You solicited a judgement. Sure I knew it was bait.  A possible
> sandbag. But
> >what the hey, my day today was destroyed hours ago. So, based upon what I
> >know, I rendered unto man what he requested: a well considered judgement.
JWR commented--
> Gosh Ron, what ruined your day if I'm not being too nosy to
> ask?  Regardless, I hope that tomorrow is better.  Let me know if
> there is
> anything I can do to help with either day.<

"Destroyed" was a figure of speech, an exaggeration.  I'm trying to edit and
rewrite stuff while the blasted new e-mail prompt keeps dinging with yet
another message from ZION and that list that cannot be named here  not
to mention my own group of 350 -- count'em-- friends from high
school/college. Mormons talk too much, I think.

Ron

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RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread John W. Redelfs
Ron Scott wrote:
You solicited a judgement. Sure I knew it was bait.  A possible sandbag. But
what the hey, my day today was destroyed hours ago. So, based upon what I
know, I rendered unto man what he requested: a well considered judgement.
Gosh Ron, what ruined your day if I'm not being too nosy to 
ask?  Regardless, I hope that tomorrow is better.  Let me know if there is 
anything I can do to help with either day.

Your friend and brother (and I mean that),
John W. Redelfs, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

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Re: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread George Cobabe
Well she may have gotten the message, but was a long way from understanding
the nature of God and His real relationship with His children.

I do not think that is denigrating her offering and her truly magnificant
life at all.  It is just the result of her religious affliation.

And while I am willing to admit she could show and teach me more than I
thing or two, I also believe that I would have a great deal more to offer
her.

George



- Original Message - 
From: "Ron Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 2:48 PM
Subject: RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1


> Silly suggestion? I suppose it was, given that she has passed on.  Were
she
> here, though, my response would have been the same.  We couldn't teach
> Mother Theresa much  about the nature of God that she didn't already know
> because, in reality, so much of His true nature was evident in her and
> others like her.  She truly got Him.
>
> Ron
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: George Cobabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:46 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1
> >
> >
> > Then why the silly suggestion you offered?
> >
> > George
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Ron Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:56 AM
> > Subject: RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1
> >
> >
> > > George:
> > >
> > > I think it's safe to say at this point that Mother Theresa
> > understands the
> > > nature of God quite well, probably better than any of us. While
> > she lived
> > on
> > > this earth she personified what God teaches. A refresher course from
us
> > > therefore is quite unnecessary.
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: George Cobabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:43 AM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: Re: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I would be happy to teach Mother Theresa about the nature of God.
> > > >  Could you
> > > > arrange a meeting?
> > > >
> > > > George
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > - Original Message -
> > > > From: "Ron Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:05 AM
> > > > Subject: RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > > From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:43 PM
> > > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > > Subject: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1
> > > > >
> > > > > > Anything controversial here?  I don't think so.  And yet we
> > > > are the only
> > > > > > Church upon the earth that teaches this most basic and
> > > > fundamental truth
> > > > > > about God, that he is an actual, physical being, as
> > tangible as man
> > > > > > is.  How can anyone know anything about God that is correct if
he
> > > > doesn't
> > > > > > understand the most basic fundamental truth about him?  Religion
> > > > > > may not be
> > > > > > the same as mathematics, but one has to get the most basic
> > > > fundamentals
> > > > > > right if he want to understand anything else.  Wouldn't
> > you agree?<
> > > > >
> > > > > Tell that to Mother Theresa.
> > > > >
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RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott


> -Original Message-
> From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:04 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1
>
>
> Ron Scott wrote:
> > > Was Mother Theresa more righteous or just more famous for her
> > > righteousness
> > > than say the widow in your ward that give the widows mite to the Fast
> > > Offering?  --JWR
> >
> >Don't know any widows who my ward that gives a mite, so I can respond
> >specifically.  The general answer to your question, however is: both.
>
> In my often incorrect opinion, that puts you in the position of making a
> judgement that you are wholly unqualified to make.  Only God knows our
> hearts.  There may be someone in your ward who is more righteous than
> Mother Theresa was.  There would be no way to know, again in my
> humble and
> often worthless opinion. --JWR

You solicited a judgement. Sure I knew it was bait.  A possible sandbag. But
what the hey, my day today was destroyed hours ago. So, based upon what I
know, I rendered unto man what he requested: a well considered judgement.

Had God asked the question, if I survived the shock it would cause I'd
answer: "You're asking me?"

You haven't become God yet, have you John?

Ron

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RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread John W. Redelfs
Ron Scott wrote:
> Was Mother Theresa more righteous or just more famous for her
> righteousness
> than say the widow in your ward that give the widows mite to the Fast
> Offering?  --JWR
Don't know any widows who my ward that gives a mite, so I can respond
specifically.  The general answer to your question, however is: both.
In my often incorrect opinion, that puts you in the position of making a 
judgement that you are wholly unqualified to make.  Only God knows our 
hearts.  There may be someone in your ward who is more righteous than 
Mother Theresa was.  There would be no way to know, again in my humble and 
often worthless opinion. --JWR

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RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott


> -Original Message-
> From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 6:37 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1
>
>
> Ron Scott wrote:
> > > Anything controversial here?  I don't think so.  And yet we
> are the only
> > > Church upon the earth that teaches this most basic and
> fundamental truth
> > > about God, that he is an actual, physical being, as tangible as man
> > > is.  How can anyone know anything about God that is correct
> if he doesn't
> > > understand the most basic fundamental truth about him?  Religion
> > > may not be
> > > the same as mathematics, but one has to get the most basic
> fundamentals
> > > right if he want to understand anything else.  Wouldn't you agree?<
> >
> >Tell that to Mother Theresa.
>
> Was Mother Theresa more righteous or just more famous for her
> righteousness
> than say the widow in your ward that give the widows mite to the Fast
> Offering?  --JWR

Don't know any widows who my ward that gives a mite, so I can respond
specifically.  The general answer to your question, however is: both.

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RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread John W. Redelfs
Ron Scott wrote:
> Anything controversial here?  I don't think so.  And yet we are the only
> Church upon the earth that teaches this most basic and fundamental truth
> about God, that he is an actual, physical being, as tangible as man
> is.  How can anyone know anything about God that is correct if he doesn't
> understand the most basic fundamental truth about him?  Religion
> may not be
> the same as mathematics, but one has to get the most basic fundamentals
> right if he want to understand anything else.  Wouldn't you agree?<
Tell that to Mother Theresa.
Was Mother Theresa more righteous or just more famous for her righteousness 
than say the widow in your ward that give the widows mite to the Fast 
Offering?  --JWR

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RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
Silly suggestion? I suppose it was, given that she has passed on.  Were she
here, though, my response would have been the same.  We couldn't teach
Mother Theresa much  about the nature of God that she didn't already know
because, in reality, so much of His true nature was evident in her and
others like her.  She truly got Him.

Ron

> -Original Message-
> From: George Cobabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 3:46 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1
>
>
> Then why the silly suggestion you offered?
>
> George
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ron Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:56 AM
> Subject: RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1
>
>
> > George:
> >
> > I think it's safe to say at this point that Mother Theresa
> understands the
> > nature of God quite well, probably better than any of us. While
> she lived
> on
> > this earth she personified what God teaches. A refresher course from us
> > therefore is quite unnecessary.
> >
> > Ron
> >
> > > -Original Message-
> > > From: George Cobabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:43 AM
> > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > Subject: Re: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1
> > >
> > >
> > > I would be happy to teach Mother Theresa about the nature of God.
> > >  Could you
> > > arrange a meeting?
> > >
> > > George
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > - Original Message -
> > > From: "Ron Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:05 AM
> > > Subject: RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > -Original Message-
> > > > > From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:43 PM
> > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > > Subject: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1
> > > >
> > > > > Anything controversial here?  I don't think so.  And yet we
> > > are the only
> > > > > Church upon the earth that teaches this most basic and
> > > fundamental truth
> > > > > about God, that he is an actual, physical being, as
> tangible as man
> > > > > is.  How can anyone know anything about God that is correct if he
> > > doesn't
> > > > > understand the most basic fundamental truth about him?  Religion
> > > > > may not be
> > > > > the same as mathematics, but one has to get the most basic
> > > fundamentals
> > > > > right if he want to understand anything else.  Wouldn't
> you agree?<
> > > >
> > > > Tell that to Mother Theresa.
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread George Cobabe
You put me right in the corner with that observation.  I try not to leave
myself open to such situations.

George

- Original Message - 
From: "Tom Matkin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 8:25 AM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1


>
> - Original Message -
> From: "George Cobabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:42 AM
> Subject: Re: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1
>
>
> > I would be happy to teach Mother Theresa about the nature of God.  Could
> you
> > arrange a meeting?
> >
> > George
> >
> I thought you were happy to recently avoid such an opportunity. Now you're
> asking for someone to help you with the arrangements! Make up your mind
> George. We want you to stay.
>
> Tom
>
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Re: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread George Cobabe
Then why the silly suggestion you offered?

George

- Original Message - 
From: "Ron Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:56 AM
Subject: RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1


> George:
>
> I think it's safe to say at this point that Mother Theresa understands the
> nature of God quite well, probably better than any of us. While she lived
on
> this earth she personified what God teaches. A refresher course from us
> therefore is quite unnecessary.
>
> Ron
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: George Cobabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:43 AM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: Re: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1
> >
> >
> > I would be happy to teach Mother Theresa about the nature of God.
> >  Could you
> > arrange a meeting?
> >
> > George
> >
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Ron Scott" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 5:05 AM
> > Subject: RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -Original Message-
> > > > From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:43 PM
> > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > > > Subject: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1
> > >
> > > > Anything controversial here?  I don't think so.  And yet we
> > are the only
> > > > Church upon the earth that teaches this most basic and
> > fundamental truth
> > > > about God, that he is an actual, physical being, as tangible as man
> > > > is.  How can anyone know anything about God that is correct if he
> > doesn't
> > > > understand the most basic fundamental truth about him?  Religion
> > > > may not be
> > > > the same as mathematics, but one has to get the most basic
> > fundamentals
> > > > right if he want to understand anything else.  Wouldn't you agree?<
> > >
> > > Tell that to Mother Theresa.
> > >
> > >
> > //
> > //
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Re: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 07:42 AM 11/5/2003 -0700, St George wrote:
I would be happy to teach Mother Theresa about the nature of God.  Could you
arrange a meeting?


Your place or hers?

Till

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Re: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread Tom Matkin

- Original Message -
From: "George Cobabe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 7:42 AM
Subject: Re: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1


> I would be happy to teach Mother Theresa about the nature of God.  Could
you
> arrange a meeting?
>
> George
>
I thought you were happy to recently avoid such an opportunity. Now you're
asking for someone to help you with the arrangements! Make up your mind
George. We want you to stay.

Tom

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RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott
George:

I think it's safe to say at this point that Mother Theresa understands the
nature of God quite well, probably better than any of us. While she lived on
this earth she personified what God teaches. A refresher course from us
therefore is quite unnecessary.

Ron

> -Original Message-
> From: George Cobabe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2003 9:43 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1
>
>
> I would be happy to teach Mother Theresa about the nature of God.
>  Could you
> arrange a meeting?
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> George
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> > > Anything controversial here?  I don't think so.  And yet we
> are the only
> > > Church upon the earth that teaches this most basic and
> fundamental truth
> > > about God, that he is an actual, physical being, as tangible as man
> > > is.  How can anyone know anything about God that is correct if he
> doesn't
> > > understand the most basic fundamental truth about him?  Religion
> > > may not be
> > > the same as mathematics, but one has to get the most basic
> fundamentals
> > > right if he want to understand anything else.  Wouldn't you agree?<
> >
> > Tell that to Mother Theresa.
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Re: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread George Cobabe
I would be happy to teach Mother Theresa about the nature of God.  Could you
arrange a meeting?

George



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>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:43 PM
> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Subject: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1
>
> > Anything controversial here?  I don't think so.  And yet we are the only
> > Church upon the earth that teaches this most basic and fundamental truth
> > about God, that he is an actual, physical being, as tangible as man
> > is.  How can anyone know anything about God that is correct if he
doesn't
> > understand the most basic fundamental truth about him?  Religion
> > may not be
> > the same as mathematics, but one has to get the most basic fundamentals
> > right if he want to understand anything else.  Wouldn't you agree?<
>
> Tell that to Mother Theresa.
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RE: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-05 Thread Ron Scott


> -Original Message-
> From: John W. Redelfs [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 10:43 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: [ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

> Anything controversial here?  I don't think so.  And yet we are the only
> Church upon the earth that teaches this most basic and fundamental truth
> about God, that he is an actual, physical being, as tangible as man
> is.  How can anyone know anything about God that is correct if he doesn't
> understand the most basic fundamental truth about him?  Religion
> may not be
> the same as mathematics, but one has to get the most basic fundamentals
> right if he want to understand anything else.  Wouldn't you agree?<

Tell that to Mother Theresa.

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[ZION] Official Church Doctrine #1

2003-11-04 Thread John W. Redelfs
From GOSPEL PRINCIPLES:

What Kind of Being Is God?

Because we are made in his image (see Moses 6:9), we know that God has a 
body that looks like ours. His eternal spirit is housed in a tangible body 
of flesh and bones (see D&C 130:22). God's body, however, is perfected and 
glorified, with a glory beyond all description.

God is perfect. He is a God of love, mercy, charity, truth, power, faith, 
knowledge, and judgment. He has all power. He knows all things. He is full 
of goodness.

All good things come from God. Everything that he does is to help his 
children become like him---a god. He has said, "Behold, this is my work and 
my glory---to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of man"(Moses 
1:39).
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Anything controversial here?  I don't think so.  And yet we are the only 
Church upon the earth that teaches this most basic and fundamental truth 
about God, that he is an actual, physical being, as tangible as man 
is.  How can anyone know anything about God that is correct if he doesn't 
understand the most basic fundamental truth about him?  Religion may not be 
the same as mathematics, but one has to get the most basic fundamentals 
right if he want to understand anything else.  Wouldn't you agree?

John W. Redelfs   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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behavior quicker than a study of behavior will improve
behavior."  --Boyd K. Packer
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All my opinions are tentative pending further data. --JWR 

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