Re: [ZION] Testing legality

2004-03-23 Thread Rusty Taylor
Hello, Jim

thanks for your response. evidently age and education have not sharpened my
writing skills very much.
everything you stated was/is true-- historically, the Church has not fared
well in the hands of the U.S. legal system.

However, I was asking the opposite question:
"would it be correct/valid to say that if the church supports a
matter regarding the
law of the land, then that particular item is also constitutional?

I hope this makes my question a bit more clear.

Bob Taylor

>In my view, the restoration has a poor record of success when it comes
>to testing the laws of the land in court.  For more than 150 years it
>has been a dismal and discouraging effort for the saints of God to
>importune the courts for redress.  In legal matters regarding everything
>from trivial personal harassment lawsuits against Joseph Smith, on up to
>the testing of the constitutionality of federal anti-polygamy laws, the
>church has waged and consistently lost many important legal battles
>through the courts at every level.
>
>Having personally sustained my own significant trauma at the handling of
>the courts, I shrink from the very suggestion that we might obtain any
>kind of satisfying judgement in the several legal matters currently
>concerning the general body of the church.  But, notwithstanding my own
>reticence, and even in the face of confusion within the ranks regarding
>these matters, we are clearly obligated to follow the consistent counsel
>of the brethren in this matter.  The saints have always been instructed
>to make every effort to work within the law.  We believe in honoring and
>sustaining the law of the land.  In many instances throughout church
>history, church members have been horribly abused at the hands of the
>system which should have protected them.  Yet they always continued to
>press for justice and sound judgement.
>
>I can see no other alternative.  In the case of the assault on marriage
>laws, I honestly believe it may be a futile effort.  But we ought to
>follow the example set by our stalwart predecessors, in exhausting every
>recourse to obtain legal settlement of the current issues.
>
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[ZION] Testing legality

2004-03-23 Thread Jim Cobabe

In my view, the restoration has a poor record of success when it comes 
to testing the laws of the land in court.  For more than 150 years it 
has been a dismal and discouraging effort for the saints of God to 
importune the courts for redress.  In legal matters regarding everything 
from trivial personal harassment lawsuits against Joseph Smith, on up to 
the testing of the constitutionality of federal anti-polygamy laws, the 
church has waged and consistently lost many important legal battles 
through the courts at every level.

Having personally sustained my own significant trauma at the handling of 
the courts, I shrink from the very suggestion that we might obtain any 
kind of satisfying judgement in the several legal matters currently 
concerning the general body of the church.  But, notwithstanding my own 
reticence, and even in the face of confusion within the ranks regarding 
these matters, we are clearly obligated to follow the consistent counsel 
of the brethren in this matter.  The saints have always been instructed 
to make every effort to work within the law.  We believe in honoring and 
sustaining the law of the land.  In many instances throughout church 
history, church members have been horribly abused at the hands of the 
system which should have protected them.  Yet they always continued to 
press for justice and sound judgement.

I can see no other alternative.  In the case of the assault on marriage 
laws, I honestly believe it may be a futile effort.  But we ought to 
follow the example set by our stalwart predecessors, in exhausting every 
recourse to obtain legal settlement of the current issues.

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