Re: [ZION] The Small World of the Church
Small world indeed. Just so happens that Val Williams lives in South Bend. Well, that's where my wife is from too. Turns out that she and Val were good friends in South Bend before I captured here and married her off here in Utah. I've never had the opportunity to meet Val but hope to one of these days when we visit Karen's family in South Bend. Doug -- -- Out the modem, through the POP, down the T1, off the router, down the OC3 ...nothin' but Net. Name: Doug McGee E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Small World of the Church
At 10:50 AM 11/15/2003, Val wrote: I just wanted to share with you all something really neat. Val, Thanks for sharing--it helped brighten my day! -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] The overall performance of the college graduates in the Convention of 1787 speaks forcefully for the proposition that Latin, rhetoric, philosophy, and mathematics can be a healthy fare for political heroes.Clinton Rossiter // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Small World of the Church
Valerie-- what a great story! I think this would make a great thread-- The Small World of the Church. To start things off, here's one that just happened in our family. Our oldest son, Chuck, is serving in the Tennessee Nashville Mission and was just transfered to Clarksville TN where he got a new companion and participated in a transfer conference. Flashback; for several years some of our early morning seminary classes were held in the teachers home. my wife would help by picking up kids and taking them to the teachers home (this was before she launched her seminary teaching career). One young man, who was not especially active, needed a ride, so my wife would leave extra early to get him because he lived out of the way. The teacher specifically asked my wife to pick him up, because he probably would not make the class. There were days, when Alan would not be ready, or was sleeping in, sometimes a couple of days in a row, when my wife would wonder-- what am I doing this for, he doesn't care about seminary. After that year the boy moved back with his family and we lost contact with him. back to transfer conference; in my sons own words I got my new comp yesterday. His name is Elder Klienman. But wait, yesterday at the transfer meeting in nashville you will never guess who I saw. Go ahead guess... I ran into Elder Drone!!! You remember him? Remember Allen that we took to seminary and stuff?? He is in MY MISSION It was so crazy when we saw each other. I still cant believe it. He has been out for about 13 or so months. It was awesome!!! it is indeed a much smaller world when you are a member of the Lords Church. anyone else want to volunteer a story? Bob Rusty Taylor ** There are no coincidences, only small miracles. Author Unknown ** // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] The Small World of the Church
That's just too neat of a story! A real day-brightener...thanks for sharing! Heidi the fair [Original Message] From: Valerie Nielsen Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/15/2003 11:59:36 AM Subject: [ZION] The Small World of the Church I just wanted to share with you all something really neat. You know, as members of the church, it doesn't matter where we are, if we are with fellow LDS, we have a lot to talk about. It makes the world a smaller place. Inevitably, someone you meet knows someone you know, and you feel a closer connection. This is a story kinda like that. Well, way back before our wards spilt, a young couple moved into the ward. They had no children and he was there to do a three year residency at Memorial Hospital. When they found out they could not have children, they began adopting. I remember Stacy crying as she held her first baby girl, saying, She's so beautiful. I'd have taken her if she were homely, but look at her, she's just soo beautiful! They were blessed with a second daughter, and just this past month, a son. When Miles finished his residency, he set up practice here. I have always felt so close to Miles and Stacy. When Tom died, Miles was a huge source of comfort. I was extremely ill during the visitation, so I had to sit down to receive people, and Miles knelt down, held my hand, and spoke as a great priethood leader, of things not of this world, but in the world to come. Just lately, he was called as Bishop (about a month ago) for the South Bend Ward. O.K. now, I love doing genealogy. I have always loved reading histories and uncovering the mysteries we call ancestors. I especially love reading my dad's history. He died 23 years ago, so I feel close to him when I read his stuff. Last year, my sister found a legal pad that had Dad's handwritten draft of the typed history we all have. It is different from the typed version, more raw and with details he left out of the typed version for some reason. I used that handwritten version to share with my students this week, my dad's expreiences in WWII (we are doing a veteran's unit). Thursday, after I'd read this to my last class, I decided to re-read it for myself. I love to read his thoughts. Well, page 13 contained some notes he scribbled. It was obviously his notes for the section he called the Fabulous Fifties. It was during the 50's that he married my mom, had most of us kids, and joined the church. (as a side note, Orrin Hatch was one of my parent's missionaries). Anyway, one of the little notes said, 7 Dec 1957 Pat. Blessing, Reed Andrew, Detrioit Stake. Now, I have seen my dad's patriarchal blessing numerous times. I love reading over it. What I had never connected, is that his patriarch, Reed Andrew, didn't have an 's' on the end of his name. (connecting point here) This is the same as Miles and Stacy Andrew. As it turns out, Reed is Miles's grandfather! Stacy said that Reed is the one who sealed them when they were married--that he was a sealer in Salt Lake, and got special permission to fly to Chicago to seal them. How cool is that! Reed has since passed, but think about this; when my parents were baptized, they lived in Ohio. What are the odds, that in Northern Indiana, some 46 years later, descendents of early midwest saints would connect like this. Gotta love the TRUE church. val .:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:._.:*~*:. «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤ The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] In the World
That's a darned good question. The Sufis use this saying (that's a mystical branch of Sunni Islam especially common in Egypt and Turkey), and it's also well known in Catholic and Mennonite traditions. My guess is that it came into creedal Christianity as an aphorism via Augustine, but that's a guess. In any case, John 17:14-16 would appear to be the original NT source as far as Christianity is concerned. That's my contribution, anyway. Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: OK, Zionisti, research time. In the world but not of it or something of it's ilk. What's the source of the saying? Till the questioning // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland Man will occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of the time he will pick himself up and continue on Winston Churchill Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] In the World
It is possible to live in the world and not partake of the sins of the world. Ezra Taft Benson--Apr 1991 First Presidency Message Keys to Successful Member-Missionary Work No. It is not possible for any of us. We are all sinners. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
RE: [ZION] In the World
Elmer L. Fairbank wrote: --- In the world but not of it or something of it's ilk. What's the source of the saying? --- According to Nibley-- That is, when I find myself called upon to stand up and be counted, to declare myself on one side or the other, which do I prefergin or rum, cigarettes or cigars, tea or coffee, heroin or LSD, the Red Rose or the White, Shiz or Coriantumr, wicked Nephites or wicked Lamanites, Whigs or Tories, Catholic or Protestant, Republican or Democrat, black power or white power, land pirates or sea pirates, commissars or corporations, capitalism or communism? The devilish neatness and simplicity of the thing is the easy illusion that I am choosing between good and evil, when in reality two or more evils by their rivalry distract my attention from the real issue. The oldest trick in the book for those who wish to perpetrate a great crime unnoticed is to set up a diversion, such as a fight in the street or a cry of fire in the hall, that sends everyone rushing to the spot while the criminal as an inconspicuous and highly respectable citizen quietly walks off with the loot. It can be shown that in each of the choices just named, one of the pair may well be preferable to the other, but that is not the question. There is no point in arguing which other system comes closest to the law of consecration, since I excluded all other systems when I opted for the real thing. The relative merits of various economies is a problem for the gentiles to worry about, a devil's dilemma that does not concern me in the least. For it so happens that I have presently covenanted and promised to observe most strictly certain instructions set forth with great clarity and simplicity in the Doctrine and Covenants. These are designated as the law of consecration, which are absolutely essential for the building up of the kingdom on earth and the ultimate establishment of Zion. Behold, this is the preparation wherewith I prepare you, and the foundation and the ensample which I give unto you, whereby you may accomplish the commandments which are given you; that through my providence, notwithstanding the tribulation which shall descend upon you, that the church may stand independent above all other creatures beneath the celestial world (DC 78:13-14). It is all there, this law of consecration, by which alone the Saints can implement God's plans for Zion in spite of the persecution it will bring on them; this is the foundation on which they must build (see DC 48:6). The alternative is to be dependent on baser things, for Zion cannot be built up unless it is by the principles of the law of the celestial kingdom; otherwise I cannot receive her unto myself (DC 105:5). But should I ask for tribulation? I live in the real world, don't I? Yes, and I have been commanded to come out of her,. . . that ye be not partakers of her sins (Revelation 18:4). It is not given unto you that ye shall live after the manner of the world (DC 95:13). Well, then, you must be in the world but not of the world. That happens to be a convenient para-scripture (we have quite a few of them today), invented by a third-century Sophist (Diognetos), to the great satisfaction of the church members, who were rapidly becoming very worldly. The passage as it appears in the scriptures says quite the opposite: For [whatsoever] that is in the world. . . is not of the Father, but is of the world (1 John 2:16). The Lord has repeatedly commanded and forced his people to flee out of the world into the wilderness, quite literally; there is only one way to avoid becoming involved in the neighborhood brawls, and that is to move out of the neighborhood. There is nothing in the Constitution that forbids me doing certain things I have covenanted and promised to do; if the neighbors don't like it, they have no legal grounds against me, but there are ways of getting me to move; the tribulation. . . shall descend upon you, said the Lord, but do things my way and my providence will see you through (DC 78:14). This inescapable conflict is part of our human heritage, as we learn from dramatic passages of scripture. (Hugh Nibley, Approaching Zion, edited by Don E. Norton [Salt Lake City and Provo: Deseret Book Co., Foundation for Ancient Research and Mormon Studies, 1989], 163 - 164.) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register
