Re: [ZION] Atomic Holocausts predicted
Well, not the answer I was expecting, but that will do :-) "John W. Redelfs" wrote: > After careful consideration, Marc A. Schindler wrote: > >How do you figure? I think the man's a genuine peacemaker, and deserved > >his Nobel > >Prize. Unlike at least 2 of his fellow nominees. > > Kissinger and Ho Chi Minh? > -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Atomic Holocausts predicted
After careful consideration, Marc A. Schindler wrote: >How do you figure? I think the man's a genuine peacemaker, and deserved >his Nobel >Prize. Unlike at least 2 of his fellow nominees. Kissinger and Ho Chi Minh? / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
Re: [ZION] Atomic Holocausts predicted
Gary Smith wrote: > > > Contrary to Marc, who I believe thinks that Zion will be annihilated by > the latter day Assyria prior to its own fall, I think there will be two > world powers: Zion and Babylon/Assyria. Zion will be built once > America/US has been stopped as a nation (which is what I think will be > the attack from Assyria that Marc anticipates). > No, I don't believe this. I believe Zion has *become* Assyrian, and what will be annihilated isn't a nation-state and/or a people, but the very idea of nation-states themselves, by the time of the 2nd Coming. It's my personal eschatology, I don't claim it's gospel, but it's my reading of the Gospel. > > Also, the idea that our military should stay near our own borders made > sense 50 years ago. However, in a world where an ICBM can fly across the > world in 22 minutes, and an ocean is no longer a barrier, we have to > rethink that attitude. If we are not out on the new borders of the world, > then we will be allowing ourselves to be open to major attacks. I mean, > look at how fluid the border with Mexico is. They are just taking back the land you took from them by force, but they're using other means and are outsmarting you. It's called La Reconquista. ;-) > Imagine now just what would > happen if we weren't around knowing who was installing missile batteries > and developing new tracking systems in order to extend their attack > range. > > And even if we aren't the ones in the middle of a nuclear attack, say it > is limited to India, Pakistan and China, just how long do you think it > would take for the radiation to float over to us and affect us? It isn't > possible to hide anymore. All we can choose to do is to make difficult > decisions for the right reasons. If we hide, like Carter wanted to do, How do you figure? I think the man's a genuine peacemaker, and deserved his Nobel Prize. Unlike at least 2 of his fellow nominees. > > we actually endanger the world more. During Carter's reign of error, he > came close to having several democracies toppled. He was for human > rights, but against our involvement in other nations. Communism had a > heyday during his administration. Compare that with Reagan's time, when Reagan didn't topple communism, it fell of its own accord. The most surprised person in Reykjavik the day that Mikhail Gorbachev proposed that the Soviet Union would start disarming first was Ronald Reagan. > > he stood tough, and it has helped to spread democracy around the world. > More people are free today, thanks to Reagan, than due to Carter and > Clinton combined. > I won't speak for Clinton, but I think people have a very strange, backwards view of the world during the Carter and Reagan era. Have people already forgotten things like Iran-Contra and ? Carter managed to right an error in history when he gave the canal zone back to its rightful owners, and he just gets accused by the right wing of being a traitor. Well, you can't be a traitor with respect to something that was never rightfully your's. > > K'aya K'ama, -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Atomic holocausts predicted
Gary Smith wrote: > I can't help but remember what Edmund Burke said (paraphrased): All it > requires for evil to thrive is for good men to do nothing. > Much of what you said in your post I would agree with. I think, though, that Burke's quote is often misused when (and I'm speaking generally; am not saying this is how you are using it necessarily) it's meant to say, in effect, well, we can't just stand around doing nothing. We've got to do something. Here's some advice about doing "something" from someone who knows imperialism well, Sir Michael Howard, professor emeritus of naval and military history at Yale (and a Brit): http://www.members.shaw.ca/mschindler/D/Howard.htm -- Marc A. Schindler Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada -- Gateway to the Boreal Parkland "The greater danger for most of us lies not in setting our aim too high and falling short; but in setting our aim too low, and achieving our mark." --Michelangelo Buonarroti Note: This communication represents the informal personal views of the author solely; its contents do not necessarily reflect those of the authors employer, nor those of any organization with which the author may be associated. / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^^=== This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^^===
Re: [ZION] Atomic Holocausts Predicted
At 09:04 AM 10/13/2002, you wrote: >"We do not say that all of the Saints will be spared and saved from the >coming day of desolation. But we do say there is no promise of safety and >no promise of security except for those who love the Lord and who are >seeking to do all that he commands. > > (Bruce R. McConkie, "Stand Independent above All Other Creatures," > Ensign, May 1979, 93)"It may be, for instance, that nothing except the > power of faith and the authority of the priesthood can save individuals > and congregations from the atomic holocausts that surely shall be." >--- > >What do you think? Is this prophecy going to be fulfilled? Is not it a >good reason to avoid sending our troops all over the planet engaging in >war to bring peace? I wish our troops would stay home in case we need >them here. I guess that makes me an isolationist. But I don't believe >the USA could or should be a global police force. It is too likely to >stir up hatreds and bring to pass the scenario predicted by Elder McConkie. > >What do you think? Is invading Iraq going to increase or decrease the >likelihood of a nuclear war? Is there anyone here who truly believes that >invading Iraq is going to bring about a stable democracy? Why should >America's finest young men and women lay down their lives for nothing? > >John W. Redelfs[EMAIL PROTECTED] Interesting. I was just looking something up the other day and run across the following reference regarding "pillars of smoke": But the next passage puzzles me: "I will shew wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke" (Joel 2:30). We have had bloodshed, of course, ever since Cain murdered Abel. History is a chronicle of arson, pillage, burning, and corruption. Yet Moroni assured Joseph Smith that "wonders in the heavens and in the earth, blood, and fire, and pillars of smoke" would identify his dispensation. I looked up the Hebrew word which was translated into English as "pillars of smoke." It is timeroth, or "palm tree-like columns" (spreading at the top). Now, that makes no sense. Or does it? Perhaps if the reporter at the White Sands proving grounds at Alamogordo, New Mexico, in 1943, had been from an area where palm trees were more prevalent than mushrooms, he may have described the appearance of the huge atomic cloud as being like a palm tree. This is only my interpretation; but about 400 B.C. a contemporary of Joel's, Zechariah, also looked into the last days in vision and described a terrible "plague." "Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth" (Zechariah 14:12). Radiation? Perhaps. If not, what might he be referring to? I wonder how Joseph Smith interpreted that passage, or whether the vision Moroni showed him left no doubt. (Paul R. Cheesman and C. Wilfred Griggs, eds., Scriptures for the Modern World [Provo: BYU Religious Studies Center, 1984], 24 - 25.) Now I have no idea whether that is what is meant by the Prophet Joel but it is interesting nevertheless. -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] / /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / ==^ This email was sent to: archive@jab.org EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] T O P I C A -- Register now to manage your mail! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/register ==^
