Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-27 Thread Grampa Bill
Gary Smith wrote:


Most Jewish religions now see Christ as a
righteous man who taught good. They respect him as a teacher of
righteousness. They just do not accept him as Messiah.
 

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   How can this be? If Jesus was not the Christ, the Son of God, then 
His entire life and His ministry in particular is built upon a lie. I 
see no way to respect Christ and His teachings other than to accept his 
Godhood.

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Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-27 Thread Valerie Nielsen Williams
We have many sects in this area who are Messianic Jews.  They DO believe
Christ is the Messiah.  Unfortunately, there are those of traditional
Jewish belief who shun and bad mouth them.  The Messianic Jews have even
had crosses burned in their yards--crosses the KKK says wasn't them.  Go
figure.

val


On Sun, 27 Oct 2002 04:36:34 -0800 Grampa Bill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
writes:
 Gary Smith wrote:
 
 Most Jewish religions now see Christ as a
 righteous man who taught good. They respect him as a teacher of
 righteousness. They just do not accept him as Messiah.
   
 
 =
 Grampa Bill asks:
 How can this be? If Jesus was not the Christ, the Son of God, 
 then 
 His entire life and His ministry in particular is built upon a lie. 
 I 
 see no way to respect Christ and His teachings other than to accept 
 his 
 Godhood.
 
 -- 
 Don't waste the atonement.
 Sue Woodbury, Oct. 20, 2002
 
 Love y'all,
 Grampa Bill in Savannah
 

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Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-25 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 12:46 10/24/2002 -0700, Uncle Dan wrote:

We might be in for a surprise here. The key, I think, is in the actual
consecration of the temple. The Jews will probably build it, as a temple,
but it won't actually meet the Lord's requirements until consecrated by His
church.
Consider that you can receive the same blessing of safety in your home that
you could by being in a temple, but there is no requirement that it's
construction be performed by His church in anyway.
I think that the Jerusalem Temple will have to be built by the Israelites
living there as part of their covenant. they won't have the authority to
consecrate it, but the actual construction could be done in the faith that
God will provide the means once it's accomplished. That's where His church
would step in.



Very good observation, Dan.  It certainly resonates as a possible scenario.

Till

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Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-25 Thread Scott McGee
On Thu, 24 Oct 2002 12:10:37 -0500, Paul Osborne [EMAIL PROTECTED]
said:
 We know that a temple will be built in Jerusalem before the Second 
 Coming.
 Question: will the temple in Jerusalem have to be built 
 and dedicated under the authority and supervision of the Melchizedek 
 priesthood?  Or will unbelieving Jews find some way of building a real 
 temple without authority from God?

 I think we have been here before. It's a good subject. I say that the
 Jews can't build a temple that the Lord will accept.

I disagree. The Jews have all the information to build the Temple
carefully recorded in the Old Testament. They have to find some of the
descendants of Levi to preside. These descendants have a right to the
Aronic Preisthood which (unless I am mistaken) is what was used with the
original Temple. 

I think that after the second coming, they will have to have it
rededicated by the Melchizedek Priesthood before it can be used for the
temple rights that we perform.

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Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-24 Thread Elmer L. Fairbank
At 12:10 10/24/2002 -0500, St Paul wrote:



I think we have been here before. It's a good subject. I say that the
Jews can't build a temple that the Lord will accept. A temple must be
built and consecrated to the Lord Jesus Christ and the Jews cannot do
that.

The temple in Jerusalem will be built by the LDS church for in behalf of
Mormon Jews. The LDS church is the only people under the heavens that can
perform such a work. To think that the Jews will build a temple outside
of the authority of the Mormons is just like saying the Jehovah's
Witnesses can do so too. There is no scriptural reference to support such
an idea.



Somebody should have clued Solomon in on this idea!  Could have saved him a 
lot of expense.  Likewise Zarubabel.  Herod's another story.

IOW, I don't rule out the possibility, although in principle I agree.  I 
just think that such statements are too uncomfortably close to a bible, a 
bible, we have a bible to suit me.   The Lord will do whatever he wants, 
without consulting me first.  (good thing for the world, too)


Till

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Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-24 Thread Paul Osborne
We know that a temple will be built in Jerusalem before the Second 
Coming.  We also know that a temple will be built in Jackson County
before 
the Savior comes.  Question: will the temple in Jerusalem have to be
built 
and dedicated under the authority and supervision of the Melchizedek 
priesthood?  Or will unbelieving Jews find some way of building a real 
temple without authority from God?
We know that a temple is just a building until it has been dedicated by
the 
priesthood.  Will that rule still hold in Jerusalem before the Second
Coming.


I think we have been here before. It's a good subject. I say that the
Jews can't build a temple that the Lord will accept. A temple must be
built and consecrated to the Lord Jesus Christ and the Jews cannot do
that. 

The temple in Jerusalem will be built by the LDS church for in behalf of
Mormon Jews. The LDS church is the only people under the heavens that can
perform such a work. To think that the Jews will build a temple outside
of the authority of the Mormons is just like saying the Jehovah's
Witnesses can do so too. There is no scriptural reference to support such
an idea. 

Paul O
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Re: [ZION] The Jerusalem Temple

2002-10-24 Thread Paul Osborne
Dan:
We might be in for a surprise here. The key, I think, is in the actual
consecration of the temple. The Jews will probably build it, as a
temple,...

they won't have the authority to
consecrate it, but the actual construction could be done in the faith
that
God will provide the means once it's accomplished


Sorry, but Bruce R McConkie said otherwise and I trust his judgment as
final in this matter. Now all we have to do is sit back and see how the
apostle's words will be verified. Otherwise, Bruce R McConkie didn't know
what he was talking about and we could just as well get our advice from a
Baptist preacher on this matter.

BTW, was Elder McConkie rich too? ;-)

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