Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms
Perhaps now you can begin to understand why you cannot teach (the Teachers) if ye have not the Spirit! Jon - Original Message - From: "Stacy Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2003 8:22 AM Subject: Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms > How utterly repugnant! Moldy bread representing the body of Christ! > > Stacy. > > At 10:56 PM 09/09/2003 -0400, you wrote: > > >Did the revelation allow the use of moldy bread as our Teachers tried to do > >once when they wanted to use some bread left in the container we use to > >bring the Sacrament trays back and forth to the school we meet in because > >someone forgot to bring the bread? (A quick trip to my house solved this > >little problem.) > > > >I will be very grateful when our building is finally finished, as it is > >approaching 3 years in this school. I take the hymnals home each week, and > >the boxes are a testament to the true worth of duct tape! Originally, the > >building was to be available in July. Now we are working on November. The > >second Sunday in January will start our fourth year. > > > >Jon > > > >- Original Message - > >From: "Grampa Bill in Savannah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 8:33 PM > >Subject: Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in > >Practical Terms > > > > > > > Paul Osborne wrote: > > > > > > >Joseph Smith went out and bought real wine because real wine seemed like > > > >the thing to do and everyone liked the taste of wine-- or people wouldn't > >have drunk it all the time. > > > > > > > > > > Grampa Bill comments: > > > > > > Well, no, Paul. I 'spect he bought wine because the revealed > > > Sacrament prayer specified wine. A later revelation relieved the Saints > > > of that commandment, allowing use of GatorAde and Saltine Crackers if > > > that's what's available. > > > > > > Love y'all, > > > Grampa Bill in Savannah > > > > > > > >/// / > >// > > > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > > > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > > > > >/// / > >/ > > > > > > > > > > > > >/// /// > >/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > >/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > >/// // > > > -- > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > > // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms
How utterly repugnant! Moldy bread representing the body of Christ! Stacy. At 10:56 PM 09/09/2003 -0400, you wrote: Did the revelation allow the use of moldy bread as our Teachers tried to do once when they wanted to use some bread left in the container we use to bring the Sacrament trays back and forth to the school we meet in because someone forgot to bring the bread? (A quick trip to my house solved this little problem.) I will be very grateful when our building is finally finished, as it is approaching 3 years in this school. I take the hymnals home each week, and the boxes are a testament to the true worth of duct tape! Originally, the building was to be available in July. Now we are working on November. The second Sunday in January will start our fourth year. Jon - Original Message - From: "Grampa Bill in Savannah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms > Paul Osborne wrote: > > >Joseph Smith went out and bought real wine because real wine seemed like > >the thing to do and everyone liked the taste of wine-- or people wouldn't have drunk it all the time. > > > > Grampa Bill comments: > > Well, no, Paul. I 'spect he bought wine because the revealed > Sacrament prayer specified wine. A later revelation relieved the Saints > of that commandment, allowing use of GatorAde and Saltine Crackers if > that's what's available. > > Love y'all, > Grampa Bill in Savannah > > // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > > > // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms
Did the revelation allow the use of moldy bread as our Teachers tried to do once when they wanted to use some bread left in the container we use to bring the Sacrament trays back and forth to the school we meet in because someone forgot to bring the bread? (A quick trip to my house solved this little problem.) I will be very grateful when our building is finally finished, as it is approaching 3 years in this school. I take the hymnals home each week, and the boxes are a testament to the true worth of duct tape! Originally, the building was to be available in July. Now we are working on November. The second Sunday in January will start our fourth year. Jon - Original Message - From: "Grampa Bill in Savannah" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2003 8:33 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms > Paul Osborne wrote: > > >Joseph Smith went out and bought real wine because real wine seemed like > >the thing to do and everyone liked the taste of wine-- or people wouldn't have drunk it all the time. > > > > Grampa Bill comments: > > Well, no, Paul. I 'spect he bought wine because the revealed > Sacrament prayer specified wine. A later revelation relieved the Saints > of that commandment, allowing use of GatorAde and Saltine Crackers if > that's what's available. > > Love y'all, > Grampa Bill in Savannah > > // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > > > // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms
Paul Osborne wrote: Joseph Smith went out and bought real wine because real wine seemed like the thing to do and everyone liked the taste of wine-- or people wouldn't have drunk it all the time. Grampa Bill comments: Well, no, Paul. I 'spect he bought wine because the revealed Sacrament prayer specified wine. A later revelation relieved the Saints of that commandment, allowing use of GatorAde and Saltine Crackers if that's what's available. Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 14:27:52 -0600 George Cobabe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > How is grape juice a better symbol than water? the color? Other > than that > there is little difference. > > George Joseph Smith went out and bought real wine because real wine seemed like the thing to do and everyone liked the taste of wine-- or people wouldn't have drunk it all the time. Duhhh. ;-) Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms
On Mon, 8 Sep 2003 20:20:15 GMT Larry Jackson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Stacy Smith: > > I may be a dunce on this one, but where is the true > symbolism of Jesus' lifeblood being crushed out of him > and him being bruised for our iniquities with the current > use of water in our Sacrament? With grape juice we'd > have the proper symbolism, but I fail to see the proper > symbolism represented with water. I'm not criticizing > our use of water but only trying to understand. > > ___ > > D&C 27:2 the Savior said to Joseph, "... it mattereth not > what ye shall eat or what ye shall drink when ye partake > of the sacrament, if it so be that ye do it with an eye > single to my glory--remembering unto the Father my body > which was laid down for you, and my blood which was shed > for the remission of your sins. > > That's a pretty good way to understand it, I think. > > Larry Jackson Besides, we ain't suppose to use the grape until we drink it new with Christ. If Christ won't drink it neither will I. Paul O [EMAIL PROTECTED] The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms
And somewhere in the dark recesses of my memories of Gospel Doctrine class, someone stated that they went to water to avoid the possibility of being poisoned. Who knows? Jon - Original Message - From: "Elmer L. Fairbank" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms > Don't overlook the symbolism of the well of living water, the water of > life, and the water of rebirth. Also, IIRC, the use of water was a > practical solution to a societal problem, referenced in the Doctrine and > Covenants. > > Till > > > At 01:13 PM 9/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: > >The overwhelming majority of the liquid content of blood is water and, for > >that matter, the same goes with grapejuice. When you think of it that > >way, it works. > > > >Tom > > > >Stacy Smith wrote: > > > >>I may be a dunce on this one, but where is the true symbolism of Jesus' > >>lifeblood being crushed out of him and him being bruised for our > >>iniquities with the current use of water in our Sacrament? With grape > >>juice we'd have the proper symbolism, but I fail to see the proper > >>symbolism represented with water. I'm not criticizing our use of water > >>but only trying to understand. > >> > >>Stacy. > >> > >> > >>-- > >>[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > >> > >>// > >> > >>/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > >>/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > >>// /// > >> > >> > >> > > > >/// /// > >/// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > >/// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > >/// // > > > > > > > > // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > > > > // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms
George Cobabe wrote: How is grape juice a better symbol than water? the color? Other than that there is little difference. Grampa Bill comments: Going back to my youth in the Methodist Church, the grape juice tasted better. Upon gpoing to my first few LDS meetings, I was disappointed in the use of water. That stopped after I began to obey the Law of the Fast. After a day's fast, those few drops of pure sweet, clear water go down mighty well! ;-) Love y'all, Grampa Bill in Savannah // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms
Of course, these were extreme times when our enemies could really do things to us. Stacy. At 08:20 PM 09/08/2003 +, you wrote: Stacy Smith: I may be a dunce on this one, but where is the true symbolism of Jesus' lifeblood being crushed out of him and him being bruised for our iniquities with the current use of water in our Sacrament? With grape juice we'd have the proper symbolism, but I fail to see the proper symbolism represented with water. I'm not criticizing our use of water but only trying to understand. ___ D&C 27:2 the Savior said to Joseph, "... it mattereth not what ye shall eat or what ye shall drink when ye partake of the sacrament, if it so be that ye do it with an eye single to my glory--remembering unto the Father my body which was laid down for you, and my blood which was shed for the remission of your sins. That's a pretty good way to understand it, I think. Larry Jackson The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms
Grapes have to be pressed to make juice. Stacy. At 02:27 PM 09/08/2003 -0600, you wrote: How is grape juice a better symbol than water? the color? Other than that there is little difference. George - Original Message - From: "Larry Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:20 PM Subject: RE: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms > > Stacy Smith: > > I may be a dunce on this one, but where is the true > symbolism of Jesus' lifeblood being crushed out of him > and him being bruised for our iniquities with the current > use of water in our Sacrament? With grape juice we'd > have the proper symbolism, but I fail to see the proper > symbolism represented with water. I'm not criticizing > our use of water but only trying to understand. > > ___ > > D&C 27:2 the Savior said to Joseph, "... it mattereth not > what ye shall eat or what ye shall drink when ye partake > of the sacrament, if it so be that ye do it with an eye > single to my glory--remembering unto the Father my body > which was laid down for you, and my blood which was shed > for the remission of your sins. > > That's a pretty good way to understand it, I think. > > Larry Jackson > > > > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > > // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms
How is grape juice a better symbol than water? the color? Other than that there is little difference. George - Original Message - From: "Larry Jackson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2003 2:20 PM Subject: RE: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms > > Stacy Smith: > > I may be a dunce on this one, but where is the true > symbolism of Jesus' lifeblood being crushed out of him > and him being bruised for our iniquities with the current > use of water in our Sacrament? With grape juice we'd > have the proper symbolism, but I fail to see the proper > symbolism represented with water. I'm not criticizing > our use of water but only trying to understand. > > ___ > > D&C 27:2 the Savior said to Joseph, "... it mattereth not > what ye shall eat or what ye shall drink when ye partake > of the sacrament, if it so be that ye do it with an eye > single to my glory--remembering unto the Father my body > which was laid down for you, and my blood which was shed > for the remission of your sins. > > That's a pretty good way to understand it, I think. > > Larry Jackson > > > > > The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! > Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! > Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! > > // > /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// > /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// > / > > // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
RE: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms
Stacy Smith: I may be a dunce on this one, but where is the true symbolism of Jesus' lifeblood being crushed out of him and him being bruised for our iniquities with the current use of water in our Sacrament? With grape juice we'd have the proper symbolism, but I fail to see the proper symbolism represented with water. I'm not criticizing our use of water but only trying to understand. ___ D&C 27:2 the Savior said to Joseph, "... it mattereth not what ye shall eat or what ye shall drink when ye partake of the sacrament, if it so be that ye do it with an eye single to my glory--remembering unto the Father my body which was laid down for you, and my blood which was shed for the remission of your sins. That's a pretty good way to understand it, I think. Larry Jackson The best thing to hit the internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today! // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms
At 12:13 PM 9/8/2003, you wrote: Don't overlook the symbolism of the well of living water, the water of life, and the water of rebirth. Also, IIRC, the use of water was a practical solution to a societal problem, referenced in the Doctrine and Covenants. Till Yes, they didn't want to get poisoned . -- Steven Montgomery [EMAIL PROTECTED] O ye Priest of Baal. O, ye gentile religionest O. ye inhabitants of Babylon possessing the Mark of the beast What knowledge have ye of the ordinances or blessings or virtues of the house & Church of God (The Kirtland Diary of Wilford Woodruff) // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms
Don't overlook the symbolism of the well of living water, the water of life, and the water of rebirth. Also, IIRC, the use of water was a practical solution to a societal problem, referenced in the Doctrine and Covenants. Till At 01:13 PM 9/8/2003 -0400, you wrote: The overwhelming majority of the liquid content of blood is water and, for that matter, the same goes with grapejuice. When you think of it that way, it works. Tom Stacy Smith wrote: I may be a dunce on this one, but where is the true symbolism of Jesus' lifeblood being crushed out of him and him being bruised for our iniquities with the current use of water in our Sacrament? With grape juice we'd have the proper symbolism, but I fail to see the proper symbolism represented with water. I'm not criticizing our use of water but only trying to understand. Stacy. -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
Re: [ZION] The Meaning of the Olive Press or the Winepress in Practical Terms
The overwhelming majority of the liquid content of blood is water and, for that matter, the same goes with grapejuice. When you think of it that way, it works. Tom Stacy Smith wrote: I may be a dunce on this one, but where is the true symbolism of Jesus' lifeblood being crushed out of him and him being bruised for our iniquities with the current use of water in our Sacrament? With grape juice we'd have the proper symbolism, but I fail to see the proper symbolism represented with water. I'm not criticizing our use of water but only trying to understand. Stacy. -- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / // /// ZION LIST CHARTER: Please read it at /// /// http://www.zionsbest.com/charter.html /// / --^ This email was sent to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] EASY UNSUBSCRIBE click here: http://topica.com/u/?aaP9AU.bWix1n.YXJjaGl2 Or send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] TOPICA - Start your own email discussion group. FREE! http://www.topica.com/partner/tag02/create/index2.html --^
