Re: [Zope] Re: Zope on Solaris
--On 20. August 2005 16:26:05 -0700 Steve McMahon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, the concerns about Solaris were related to poor performance under Solaris 8 on a multi-Sparc platform. Anybody got any more recent information that might apply to Solaris 10 or to an Opteron platform? To make it short: Solaris is not slow by design. The *Sparc*-based hardware is fu*cking slow compared to decent PC-based systems. Solaris on i386 hardware is not slower or faster than compared to Linux. I made some tests lately with Plone under Solaris on a PC and the benchmarks (basically using ab) were more or less the same as with a comparable PC system (+/- 10%). So why would one use Solaris? Only when you have the need for reliable hardware. Sparc-based hardware is still at least 10 times more stable then a cheap PC system ... everything has its price. -aj pgpH5vn9eAL0M.pgp Description: PGP signature ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Zope on Solaris
Brian Sullivan wrote: ... Matt Hamilton's report is still probably your best resource if you find yourself with the gun to your head: http://www.zope.org/Members/glpb/solaris OK -- I get the picture I think ;-) I will try to dodge the Solaris bullet if I can. Just for the record, the conclusion of the cited report (once you read to the postscript http://www.zope.org/Members/glpb/solaris/report_ps#2) was: People really shouldn't be afraid of running python/zope on solaris, especially in multi-cpu environments, as long as they understand how python works, because you actually have much better resource control than pretty well any other O/S out there, but as they say use the right tool for the job, and make informed decisions ;-) Also, the concerns about Solaris were related to poor performance under Solaris 8 on a multi-Sparc platform. Anybody got any more recent information that might apply to Solaris 10 or to an Opteron platform? ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Zope on Solaris
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Sullivan wrote: From what I can determine Zope does or should run on Solaris on a Sun server. Is that assumption correct. Can anybody point to any resources or have any comments/opinions-- like what versions of Zope/Solaris seem to be compatible, any special issues/requirements? Except for the fact that it will seem dog slow, Zope runs fine on Solaris. The major issue seems to be that the threading model in the Solaris libc is especially punitive for long-running, multi-threaded Python applications. I would recommend running multiple appserver processes, each with a single worker thread, rather than trying to run a truly multi-threaded appserver; you will then need to load balance them (e.g., with Pound). Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 202-558-7113 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC+9nk+gerLs4ltQ4RAhL1AKC+8Rhv2qz9r7xliS/dwXuCJwXW0gCeL33h nujTWQAHRXB74pOMFej+zuM= =nCbx -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Zope on Solaris
From what I can determine Zope does or should run on Solaris on a Sun server. Is that assumption correct. Can anybody point to any resources or have any comments/opinions-- like what versions of Zope/Solaris seem to be compatible, any special issues/requirements? Except for the fact that it will seem dog slow, Zope runs fine on Solaris. The major issue seems to be that the threading model in the Solaris libc is especially punitive for long-running, multi-threaded Python applications. Dog slow as compared to what? I would prefer to do the absolute minimum in terms of tuning. Most of my experience with Zope and otherwise is with Windows. Can I potentially get by just installing and running? How would it run that way on a current Solaris server with appropriate memory compared to say running on a P4 3meg Win2003 machine with appropriate memory. I would recommend running multiple appserver processes, each with a single worker thread, rather than trying to run a truly multi-threaded appserver; you will then need to load balance them (e.g., with Pound). I am not exactly sure what you are saying -- is this something to be done at the Zope end or with Solaris knowledge or both? ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Zope on Solaris
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Brian Sullivan wrote: From what I can determine Zope does or should run on Solaris on a Sun server. Is that assumption correct. Can anybody point to any resources or have any comments/opinions-- like what versions of Zope/Solaris seem to be compatible, any special issues/requirements? Except for the fact that it will seem dog slow, Zope runs fine on Solaris. The major issue seems to be that the threading model in the Solaris libc is especially punitive for long-running, multi-threaded Python applications. Dog slow as compared to what? As compared to commodity server-class Linux/Intel hardware (which will cost you around 1/4 to 1/3 what the equivalent Solaris rig does). I would prefer to do the absolute minimum in terms of tuning. Most of my experience with Zope and otherwise is with Windows. Can I potentially get by just installing and running? How would it run that way on a current Solaris server with appropriate memory compared to say running on a P4 3meg Win2003 machine with appropriate memory. Let's put it this way: even if you get paid in cheese sandwiches, it will be cheaper to buy a 1U lintel box to run the server than the time you spend trying to figure out why it is so slow on Solaris, let alone the time you spend trying to remediate it. Unless somebody has a gun to your head, you should not run Zope on Solaris in *any* performance-critical environment. FWIW, I offered once to *buy* the 1U for the client if it didn't smoke their big-iron Solaris box; they declined to take me up on it (but still went ahead and used Solaris, because that was what made the SAs feel warm-n-fuzzy). Matt Hamilton's report is still probably your best resource if you find yourself with the gun to your head: http://www.zope.org/Members/glpb/solaris Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 202-558-7113 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Palladion Software Excellence by Designhttp://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFC++aC+gerLs4ltQ4RAkbfAJ43vVB+icfa33K0hMBPQl3vSjkgcgCcCDzc hBc03nMYUYJp+iHDxpodj+s= =NYLg -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
[Zope] Re: Zope on Solaris
Dog slow as compared to what? As compared to commodity server-class Linux/Intel hardware (which will cost you around 1/4 to 1/3 what the equivalent Solaris rig does). I would prefer to do the absolute minimum in terms of tuning. Most of my experience with Zope and otherwise is with Windows. Can I potentially get by just installing and running? How would it run that way on a current Solaris server with appropriate memory compared to say running on a P4 3meg Win2003 machine with appropriate memory. Let's put it this way: even if you get paid in cheese sandwiches, it will be cheaper to buy a 1U lintel box to run the server than the time you spend trying to figure out why it is so slow on Solaris, let alone the time you spend trying to remediate it. Unless somebody has a gun to your head, you should not run Zope on Solaris in *any* performance-critical environment. FWIW, I offered once to *buy* the 1U for the client if it didn't smoke their big-iron Solaris box; they declined to take me up on it (but still went ahead and used Solaris, because that was what made the SAs feel warm-n-fuzzy). Matt Hamilton's report is still probably your best resource if you find yourself with the gun to your head: http://www.zope.org/Members/glpb/solaris OK -- I get the picture I think ;-) I will try to dodge the Solaris bullet if I can. ___ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )
