Re: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-29 Thread Craig Allen
I must apologize in advance, I have not read the entire thread, but here's my answer to your question: > So what do you folks think? My advice: be a benevolent despot. I started to get involved with ZDP many months ago, and proposed a structure for documentation, created a folder hierarchy to

RE: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-25 Thread Amos Latteier
> I'm sorry, but I have to say, the ZOPE documentation, despite efforts > to improve it, is absolutely, positively horrible. Not because the > content isn't there, but because the tools to access it simply suck. > I can type in searches on both zope.org and zdp.zope.org and though I > KNOW the in

[Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-25 Thread Rik Hoekstra
-Original Message- From: Jerry Spicklemire <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: donderdag 25 mei 2000 1:11 Subject: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation >(forwarded from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) > >Jason Cunliffe wrote:

Re: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-25 Thread Chris Withers
John Chandler wrote: > > ouch!Interesting.. .And if you write a book, how much will a publisher pay > > you [for example ORA 'Zope in a Nutshell']. > > ..and how many copies do you think ZIAN [Zope in a Nutshell] will sell ? > > Well, I for one would be at the front of the queue to buy a copy. In

[Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-25 Thread Rik Hoekstra
> > The ZDP has "only" got >> > the aim to point to existing stuff. Restructuring the existing docs >> > is not our job. >> >> Maybe it should be? How about rebuilding zope.org as a generic 'Zope >> Portal' with the building and documenting work being done more by the >> community? (ie: integrat

Re: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-25 Thread John Chandler
> > Based on the above figures, and assuming £500/day/person, it comes out > > as: > > > > £62,500 (roughly $100,000) > > ouch!Interesting.. .And if you write a book, how much will a publisher pay > you [for example ORA 'Zope in a Nutshell']. > ..and how many copies do you think ZIAN [Zope in a N

Re: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread J. Michael Mc Kay
... - Original Message - From: "Chris Withers" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jason Cunliffe" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2000 4:47 PM Subject: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of t

Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread mindlace
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I'm sorry, but I have to say, the ZOPE documentation, despite efforts > to improve it, is absolutely, positively horrible. Not because the > content isn't there, but because the tools to access it simply suck. > I can type in searches on both zope.org and zdp.zope.or

Re: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread mindlace
I posted this on ZDP but I thought I should put it here too. Chris Withers wrote: > Maik Roeder wrote: > > The ZDP project has got another server than the main Zope site, and > > there are only a few spare time developers working on this site. If > > we could work together with Digital Creations

RE: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread Peter Marriott
ps ! Peter Marriott -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 25 May 2000 3:00 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation I'm sorry, but I have to say, the ZOPE documentation, d

Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread Michel Pelletier
Shane Hathaway wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I'm sorry, but I have to say, the ZOPE documentation, despite efforts > > to improve it, is absolutely, positively horrible. Not because the > > content isn't there, but because the tools to access it simply suck. > > I can type in sea

Re: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread Alan Shutko
Maik Roeder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Do think that the basic idea of offering different portals for > different communities (Beginners, Developers and so on) is a bad > idea ? What do you think about the organisation in Subjects/Topics ? Well, as a brand-spanking new user (or user wannabe,

Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread Jerry Spicklemire
Jason Cunliffe wrote: >Perhaps you have a better crazier idea..I hope so:-) Maybe. I too have had problems with the ZDP stuff, but not specifically those mentioned by others in this thread. When I try to use the ZDP I am impressed by the effort and sheer volume of material, but unfortunately it

Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread jiva
Thanks shane, I'll check it out! :) On Wed, May 24, 2000 at 05:12:36PM -0400, Shane Hathaway wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > I'm sorry, but I have to say, the ZOPE documentation, despite efforts > > to improve it, is absolutely, positively horrible. Not because the > > content isn't t

Re: [Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread Jason Cunliffe
> > Well I have asked a few times before, before but never a reply.. so I will > > ask again: > > > > How much would it cost? (U$?) > > Based on the above figures, and assuming £500/day/person, it comes out > as: > > £62,500 (roughly $100,000) ouch!Interesting.. .And if you write a book, how much

Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread Shane Hathaway
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I'm sorry, but I have to say, the ZOPE documentation, despite efforts > to improve it, is absolutely, positively horrible. Not because the > content isn't there, but because the tools to access it simply suck. > I can type in searches on both zope.org and zdp.zope.or

[Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread Chris Withers
Jason Cunliffe wrote: > > > I reckon there's about 25 man weeks of work to do based on 5 people > > spending: > > -1 week to build the tools > > -1 week to plan the structure of the documentation > > -3 weeks to get ALL the Zope documentation linked in one place (which is > > what zdp is supposed

[Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread Jason Cunliffe
> I reckon there's about 25 man weeks of work to do based on 5 people > spending: > -1 week to build the tools > -1 week to plan the structure of the documentation > -3 weeks to get ALL the Zope documentation linked in one place (which is > what zdp is supposed to be...) > > So, has anyone got the

[Zope] Re: [ZDP] Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread Maik Roeder
Hi ! Chris Withers wrote: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > I'm sorry, but I have to say, the ZOPE documentation, despite efforts > > to improve it, is absolutely, positively horrible. Not because the > > content isn't there, but because the tools to access it simply suck. > > Gotta agree with

Re: [Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread Chris Withers
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I'm sorry, but I have to say, the ZOPE documentation, despite efforts > to improve it, is absolutely, positively horrible. Not because the > content isn't there, but because the tools to access it simply suck. Gotta agree with this :( > Additionally, the zdp web site

[Zope] The agony of the ZOPE Documentation

2000-05-24 Thread jiva
I'm sorry, but I have to say, the ZOPE documentation, despite efforts to improve it, is absolutely, positively horrible. Not because the content isn't there, but because the tools to access it simply suck. I can type in searches on both zope.org and zdp.zope.org and though I KNOW the information