[Zope-CMF] Re: How to customize forms and pages in the CMF for a CMS

2006-03-01 Thread Martin Aspeli
Bradly Bernier [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 Yah Plone seemed to be just as difficult as the CMF when I looked at it.
 Plone has way to many options that it scares me which I know would never
 work for my very computer illiterate clients.

Well, Plone is built on top of the CMF so it has exactly all the complexity of
CMF as well as some of its own, but it also wraps a lot of that complexity up in
a UI that is easier to deal with, and it has a lot more documentation.
Basically, Plone is a user-focused product, where as CMF is a framework, but as
it turns out, Plone has done a lot of the hard things you probably want to do.
I'm not quite sure what these options are that you are so scared of, but I'll
note that you can quite easily turn off content types you don't want, disable
workflow if you don't need it, and of course the settings in 'site setup' are
only available to admin users by default.

There are alternatives to Plone too, of course, notably CPS and Silva, that run
on the same platform.

 Thanks a lot. I will look
 into the Plone Live's book. All I need is some great documentation and I
 will get it done. I guess after I become fluent with plone I will jump
 into learning Python/DTML/ZPT/Zope and all of the rest :)

I'd skip DTML if I were you, but yeah - you'll probably want to learn
eventually. If you're interested in learning more about Plone, I'd take a look
at http://plone.org/documentation/how-to/read-documentation.

Martin

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[Zope-CMF] Re: How to customize forms and pages in the CMF for a CMS

2006-02-28 Thread Martin Aspeli
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:37:24 -, Bradly Bernier  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:



So there isnt a way of doing this just with the CMF? I have looked at
plone and it doesn't seem to offer the exact requirments. All I want to
make is a site where my clients can edit the body of 1 or 2 pages and
then add periodic new content that only has a title, small body, and
some pictures. I also am interested in learning more about zope and
would like to know if would be hard for a noob like me to learn how to
do this.


It's quite often easier to turn things off in Plone than to re-invent them  
on top of plain CMF. What you're asking for is *exactly* what Plone does,  
and it'd be much easier for you to learn how to do so in a Plone context  
than in a pure CMF context, if only because there are books (Plone Live's  
a good one) and lots of documentation and tools like Archetypes and  
ArchGenXML. Plone isn't perfect, and probably has evolved too much  
framework for its own good (we're working on it :-) but it is much more  
rapid, you get a lot more usability and integration for free, and it's  
easier to learn than plain CMF.


Martin


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RE: [Zope-CMF] Re: How to customize forms and pages in the CMF for a CMS

2006-02-28 Thread Bradly Bernier
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:37:24 -, Bradly Bernier  
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  
wrote:

 So there isnt a way of doing this just with the CMF? I have looked at

 plone and it doesn't seem to offer the exact requirments. All I want 
 to make is a site where my clients can edit the body of 1 or 2 pages 
 and then add periodic new content that only has a title, small body, 
 and some pictures. I also am interested in learning more about zope 
 and would like to know if would be hard for a noob like me to learn 
 how to do this.

It's quite often easier to turn things off in Plone than to re-invent
them  
on top of plain CMF. What you're asking for is *exactly* what Plone
does,  
and it'd be much easier for you to learn how to do so in a Plone
context  
than in a pure CMF context, if only because there are books (Plone
Live's  
a good one) and lots of documentation and tools like Archetypes and  
ArchGenXML. Plone isn't perfect, and probably has evolved too much  
framework for its own good (we're working on it :-) but it is much more

rapid, you get a lot more usability and integration for free, and it's

easier to learn than plain CMF.

Martin



Yah Plone seemed to be just as difficult as the CMF when I looked at it.
Plone has way to many options that it scares me which I know would never
work for my very computer illiterate clients. Thanks a lot. I will look
into the Plone Live's book. All I need is some great documentation and I
will get it done. I guess after I become fluent with plone I will jump
into learning Python/DTML/ZPT/Zope and all of the rest :)

Thanks everyone. 
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Re: [Zope-CMF] Re: How to customize forms and pages in the CMF for a CMS

2006-02-28 Thread BIGB
hi,

Please use plone Archetypes and write a archetype product what are all
you needs in the form after this write a view page for the end
users presentation thats it .
If you cannot do send me the requirement hope i will do it for you .

Regards,
Tanveer


 On 3/1/06, Bradly Bernier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tue, 28 Feb 2006 23:37:24 -, Bradly Bernier
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: So there isnt a way of doing this just with the CMF? I have looked at plone and it doesn't seem to offer the exact requirments. All I want
 to make is a site where my clients can edit the body of 1 or 2 pages and then add periodic new content that only has a title, small body, and some pictures. I also am interested in learning more about zope
 and would like to know if would be hard for a noob like me to learn how to do this.It's quite often easier to turn things off in Plone than to re-inventthemon top of plain CMF. What you're asking for is *exactly* what Plone
does,and it'd be much easier for you to learn how to do so in a Plonecontextthan in a pure CMF context, if only because there are books (PloneLive'sa good one) and lots of documentation and tools like Archetypes and
ArchGenXML. Plone isn't perfect, and probably has evolved too muchframework for its own good (we're working on it :-) but it is much morerapid, you get a lot more usability and integration for free, and it's
easier to learn than plain CMF.MartinYah Plone seemed to be just as difficult as the CMF when I looked at it.Plone has way to many options that it scares me which I know would never
work for my very computer illiterate clients. Thanks a lot. I will lookinto the Plone Live's book. All I need is some great documentation and Iwill get it done. I guess after I become fluent with plone I will jump
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