Re: [Zope-dev] Re: death to index_html; ObjectManager?

2002-04-17 Thread Toby Dickenson
On Tuesday 16 Apr 2002 10:25 pm, Casey Duncan wrote: However, you should know that the crux of this change is really to the publisher, the mixin is just the management piece. Hmmm. Thanks for raising this. I wasnt aware that these browser_default changes went so deep. Im curious as to *why*

[Zope-dev] Re: 2.3.3 - 2.5.1b2 upgrade problem

2002-04-17 Thread Simon Michael
R. David Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Probably, but I naively imagined that I was sophisticated enough to be finding a real problem...but I'm obviously not smart enough to realize that a breakage this fundamental could be due to a package like ZDebug. I wasn't either.. I think the word

RE: [Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-17 Thread Stefan H. Holek
At 17.04.2002 10:57 -0400, Brian Lloyd wrote: From the Zen of Python: Explicit is better than implicit. We've been trying hard to adopt this bit of Zen. If you write REQUEST.set, you can look at it and easily see what is happening. Same with SESSION.set. If you're looking at dtml-set... as a

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: 2.3.3 - 2.5.1b2 upgrade problem

2002-04-17 Thread Shane Hathaway
Simon Michael wrote: R. David Murray [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Probably, but I naively imagined that I was sophisticated enough to be finding a real problem...but I'm obviously not smart enough to realize that a breakage this fundamental could be due to a package like ZDebug. I wasn't

RE: [Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-17 Thread Dan L. Pierson
--On Wednesday, April 17, 2002 11:48:12 AM -0400 Brian Lloyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: We've already learned the hard way that the existing SiteRoots and VirtualHostMonsters etc. confuse people. This is partly due to under-documentation, but it is also partly because of the here, we'll

Re: [Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-17 Thread Chris Withers
Lennart Regebro wrote: Yup. Therefore I think that the host monster shouldn't be included. VHF should supercede it. If backwards compatibility is desired, add warning messages for usage and remove the VHM from the add box, but continue to include it in the code. :-) Just as a passing

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: 2.3.3 - 2.5.1b2 upgrade problem

2002-04-17 Thread Chris Withers
Shane Hathaway wrote: I've been putting in code for Zope 2.6 that replaces the functionality of ZDebug. ZDebug was always woefully unsafe. Zope 2.6 will have improved tracebacks. Does that mean we can turn them off when we don't want them and there's no more of that damn awful appending

Re: [Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-17 Thread Jeffrey P Shell
On 4/17/02 9:56 AM, Gary Poster [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday 17 April 2002 11:48 am, Brian Lloyd wrote: Ok :) As far as vetting virtual host folder, my concerns boil down to: a. dependency / requirement for ordered folder b. having yet another virtual host thing in the

Re: [Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-17 Thread Anthony Baxter
Brian Lloyd wrote We've been trying hard to adopt this bit of Zen. If you write REQUEST.set, you can look at it and easily see what is happening. Same with SESSION.set. The other reason why I made SESSION all shouty-caps in SQLSession[*] is to make it _very_ obvious when it's being used.

Re: [Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-17 Thread Anthony Baxter
Toby Dickenson wrote Do you remember what we had to type to achieve the equivalent of dtml-let, before dtml-let was introduced? That *was* horrible. gee, I dunno... dtml-with _.namespace(name='foo') /dtml-with has a sort of charm to it. sheesh, it's still not as ugly as ZPT.

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: 2.3.3 - 2.5.1b2 upgrade problem

2002-04-17 Thread Shane Hathaway
On Wed, 17 Apr 2002, Chris Withers wrote: Shane Hathaway wrote: I've been putting in code for Zope 2.6 that replaces the functionality of ZDebug. ZDebug was always woefully unsafe. Zope 2.6 will have improved tracebacks. Does that mean we can turn them off when we don't want them

Re: [Zope-dev] how bad are per-request-write-transactions

2002-04-17 Thread Chris McDonough
That's only if you do it as a property. It doesn't have to be done that way. Shane and I discussed a counter that existed as a central datastructure. Objects that were being counted would simply have methods to increment the count and display the count. FWIW, this already mostly exists in

Re: [Zope-dev] Speaking of 2.6...

2002-04-17 Thread Evan Simpson
Lennart Regebro wrote: There is an alternative, and that is to clean up the enhanced enhanced virtual host monster we at Torped have done. It's based on sfm@imemes enhanced VHM and just like VHF is makes it possible to have standalone virtual hosting without strange apache magic. We