[Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 7 OK

2007-01-25 Thread Zope Tests Summarizer
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Wed Jan 24 12:00:00 2007 UTC to Thu Jan 25 12:00:00 2007 UTC. There were 7 messages: 7 from Zope Unit Tests. Tests passed OK --- Subject: OK : Zope-2.6 Python-2.1.3 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Wed Jan 24 21:07:46 EST 2007

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Eggifying Zope's extension mechanism (Products)

2007-01-25 Thread Martin Aspeli
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: For their upcoming versions, Zope 2 consuming platforms such as Plone are creating standard Zope3-style Python packages while still having Zope 2 products around. This proposal aims at unifying the deployment of products and Python packages into a Zope 2

Re: [Zope-dev] RFC: Acquisition and __parent__ pointers

2007-01-25 Thread Martin Aspeli
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: This proposal aims at bringing Zope 2 a bit closer to Zope 3 by making the widely used Acquisition API aware of Zope 3's __parent__ pointers. This will alleviate the need of using Acquisition base classes in Zope 2 for every security-sensitive object,

[Zope-dev] Re: RFC: Eggifying Zope's extension mechanism (Products)

2007-01-25 Thread Rocky Burt
On Thu, 2007-25-01 at 05:07 -0800, Martin Aspeli wrote: I do wonder what would happen if you had both lib/python/Products/CMFCore and Products/CMFCore, though. Would there be an explicit preference or would Zope fail to start up with a conflict? I think I'd prefer the latter, in fact, so that

[Zope-dev] Re: RFC: Eggifying Zope's extension mechanism (Products)

2007-01-25 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Rocky Burt wrote: On Thu, 2007-25-01 at 05:07 -0800, Martin Aspeli wrote: I do wonder what would happen if you had both lib/python/Products/CMFCore and Products/CMFCore, though. Would there be an explicit preference or would Zope fail to start up with a conflict? I think I'd prefer the latter,

[Zope-dev] Re: ploneout - Or how using zc.buildout for a common Zope2 project might look like

2007-01-25 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
whit wrote: Martin Aspeli wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: This is awesome, and by that I don't mean the fact that we have a plone buildout, but that we actually have Zope 2 recipes for buildout. I hope they can be moved to svn.zope.org for further development to benefit the whole

[Zope-dev] Re: ploneout - Or how using zc.buildout for a common Zope2 project might look like

2007-01-25 Thread Martin Aspeli
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: The point is that buildout *already* handles eggs. There's really no point for having an extra layer on top of buildout. The zc.recipe.egg recipe can install any egg (as a development one or not) in an automated fashion, which is exactly what you'd want from a

[Zope-dev] Re: ploneout - Or how using zc.buildout for a common Zope2 project might look like

2007-01-25 Thread Rob Miller
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: whit wrote: Martin Aspeli wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: This is awesome, and by that I don't mean the fact that we have a plone buildout, but that we actually have Zope 2 recipes for buildout. I hope they can be moved to svn.zope.org for further

[Zope-dev] Re: ploneout - Or how using zc.buildout for a common Zope2 project might look like

2007-01-25 Thread Alexander Limi
On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 12:45:26 -0800, Martin Aspeli [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Plone stinks! It's like a fine cheese. -- Alexander Limi ยท http://limi.net ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No

[Zope-dev] Re: ploneout - Or how using zc.buildout for a common Zope2 project might look like

2007-01-25 Thread whit
Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: whit wrote: Martin Aspeli wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: This is awesome, and by that I don't mean the fact that we have a plone buildout, but that we actually have Zope 2 recipes for buildout. I hope they can be moved to svn.zope.org for further

[Zope-dev] Re: ploneout - Or how using zc.buildout for a common Zope2 project might look like

2007-01-25 Thread Ian Bicking
whit wrote: Not everybody likes the activate dance. With buildout, you don't need it. The recipes make sure that the scripts that get installed into the buildout's 'bin' directory have the right PYTHONPATH set and have access to the eggs you requested for the buildout. is there really a

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ploneout - Or how using zc.buildout for a common Zope2 project might look like

2007-01-25 Thread Jim Fulton
I hate to jump into this thread but I'll make a few comments. On Jan 25, 2007, at 5:13 PM, whit wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: whit wrote: Martin Aspeli wrote: Philipp von Weitershausen wrote: This is awesome, and by that I don't mean the fact that we have a plone

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ploneout - Or how using zc.buildout for a common Zope2 project might look like

2007-01-25 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jan 25, 2007, at 5:09 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: Whit pointed me to this thread. Yeah, someone pointed me to it too. :) I won't reply to specifics, but maybe just describe what we're doing (and planning to do), and how workingenv differs from zc.buildout. I'll avoid responding to

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ploneout - Or how using zc.buildout for a common Zope2 project might look like

2007-01-25 Thread Jim Fulton
On Jan 25, 2007, at 5:44 PM, Ian Bicking wrote: workingenv is development-centric, while buildout is deployment- centric. This does not necessarily mean the best tool for the job, because focusing on development and ignore deployment isn't a good job, nor the other way around. buildout

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ploneout - Or how using zc.buildout for a common Zope2 project might look like

2007-01-25 Thread Ian Bicking
Jim Fulton wrote: If *Plone* becomes incompatible with workingenv that'd be bothersome I agree. But if a buildout is incompatible, eh... who knows, I would hope that buildout would not have to be compatible with workingenv, whatever that means, in order for Plone to be compatible. Then

[Zope-dev] Re: ploneout - Or how using zc.buildout for a common Zope2 project might look like

2007-01-25 Thread Martin Aspeli
Rob Miller wrote: honestly, it seems to me that buildout tries to do too much. it's trying to handle both repeatable deployment recipes AND providing a sandbox within which to run things. there may not be a point to having an extra layer on top of buildout, but buildout sure does seem to me

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: ploneout - Or how using zc.buildout for a common Zope2 project might look like

2007-01-25 Thread Ian Bicking
Jim Fulton wrote: I actually tried to do this once before with zc.buildout, but I didn't get far -- probably a result of lack of effort and lack of familiarity with the overall stack. But I also recognize lots of the questions about stuff like the zope.conf file and Data.fs that still seem

[Zope-dev] Re: ploneout - Or how using zc.buildout for a common Zope2 project might look like

2007-01-25 Thread Rob Miller
Martin Aspeli wrote: Rob Miller wrote: honestly, it seems to me that buildout tries to do too much. it's trying to handle both repeatable deployment recipes AND providing a sandbox within which to run things. there may not be a point to having an extra layer on top of buildout, but