Re: [Zope-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Jim Fulton wrote: Any objections? This would basically involve retiring the zope3-dev list and moving zope3 developers to the zope-dev list. +1 Wichert. -- Wichert Akkerman [EMAIL PROTECTED]It is simple to make things. http://www.wiggy.net/ It is hard

[Zope-dev] Zope Tests: 5 OK

2007-10-06 Thread Zope Tests Summarizer
Summary of messages to the zope-tests list. Period Fri Oct 5 12:00:00 2007 UTC to Sat Oct 6 12:00:00 2007 UTC. There were 5 messages: 5 from Zope Unit Tests. Tests passed OK --- Subject: OK : Zope-2.7 Python-2.3.6 : Linux From: Zope Unit Tests Date: Fri Oct 5 20:54:37 EDT 2007

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Benji York
Andreas Jung wrote: we want to get rid of the term Zope 3 in the future That's news to me. Perhaps for some definition of we. -- Benji York Senior Software Engineer Zope Corporation ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 6. Oktober 2007 08:14:10 -0400 Benji York [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Andreas Jung wrote: we want to get rid of the term Zope 3 in the future The confusion for people with the terms and Zope 2 and Zope 3 was one of major topics of the last german Zope conference. And there were also

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread David Pratt
I agree with you Roger. I want things to stay as they are for the same reasons. I have great respect for Zope 2 developers however there there are two development paradigms at play that are fundamentally incompatible despite the inclusion of component architecture in Zope 2. Regards, David

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 6. Oktober 2007 12:03:06 -0300 David Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree with you Roger. I want things to stay as they are for the same reasons. I have great respect for Zope 2 developers however there there are two development paradigms at play that are fundamentally incompatible

[Zope-dev] Undeprecation of manage_afterAdd and manage_beforeDelete?

2007-10-06 Thread Hanno Schlichting
Hi. Zope 2 currently emits deprecation warnings about old-style event methods in OFS, for example manage_afterAdd and manage_beforeDelete. The deprecation warning states that these methods won't be called anymore in Zope 2.11. I would like to turn this deprecation warning into a discouraged

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Jens Vagelpohl
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 6 Oct 2007, at 17:20, Andreas Jung wrote: The distinction between Zope 2 and Zope 3 must disappear. We must speak of Zope. Everything else is counterproductive when it comes to promoting Zope. There is only one Zope developer community and

AW: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Roger Ineichen
Hi Andreas What do you man by two development paradigms? Please don't build a wall between Zope 2 and Zope 3 developers. Most old-school Zope 2 developers are doing development also with Zope 3 components and Zope 3 techniques. Look at Plone 3.0 and its heavy usage of Zope 3

Re: AW: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 6. Oktober 2007 18:24:45 +0200 Roger Ineichen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andreas What do you man by two development paradigms? Please don't build a wall between Zope 2 and Zope 3 developers. Most old-school Zope 2 developers are doing development also with Zope 3 components and Zope

Re: [Zope-dev] Undeprecation of manage_afterAdd and manage_beforeDelete?

2007-10-06 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 6. Oktober 2007 18:07:51 +0200 Hanno Schlichting [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. Zope 2 currently emits deprecation warnings about old-style event methods in OFS, for example manage_afterAdd and manage_beforeDelete. The deprecation warning states that these methods won't be called

Re: AW: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Stephan Richter
On Saturday 06 October 2007 13:14, Andreas Jung wrote: You are using 7 times the term Zope2 and 9 times Zope 3 and also Plone 3.0 in this small text. Can you try to describe this without 2 or 3 in Zope *? I guess not, right? s/Zope 2/Zope application server s/Zope 3/Zope components I

Re: AW: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 6. Oktober 2007 13:40:46 -0400 Stephan Richter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although you are a Zope component-only  developer you can not ignore the dependent applications and framework. So you are saying I have to change Zope 3's story to cope with Zope 2's identity crisis?

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2007-10-6 17:20 +0200: ... The distinction between Zope 2 and Zope 3 must disappear. We must speak of Zope. Everything else is counterproductive when it comes to promoting Zope. There is only one Zope developer community and most of us have a Zope 2 and a Zope 3 hat on

[Zope-dev] Re: AW: AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Martijn Faassen
Stephan Richter wrote: On Saturday 06 October 2007 13:14, Andreas Jung wrote: You are using 7 times the term Zope2 and 9 times Zope 3 and also Plone 3.0 in this small text. Can you try to describe this without 2 or 3 in Zope *? I guess not, right? s/Zope 2/Zope application server s/Zope 3/Zope

[Zope-dev] Re: AW: AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Philipp von Weitershausen
Stephan Richter wrote: On Saturday 06 October 2007 13:14, Andreas Jung wrote: You are using 7 times the term Zope2 and 9 times Zope 3 and also Plone 3.0 in this small text. Can you try to describe this without 2 or 3 in Zope *? I guess not, right? s/Zope 2/Zope application server s/Zope 3/Zope

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread David Pratt
Hi Andreas. Let me say I see the development paradigms as being the following without prejudice to any application that depends upon zope 3. Respectfully, no one is building walls. my contribution to the discussion is not about isolating folks but of the reality of the software differences.

Re: [Zope-dev] AW: [Zope3-dev] I'd lobe to merge the zope3-dev and zope-dev lists

2007-10-06 Thread Andreas Jung
--On 7. Oktober 2007 01:46:50 -0300 David Pratt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Andreas. Let me say I see the development paradigms as being the following without prejudice to any application that depends upon zope 3. Respectfully, no one is building walls. my contribution to the discussion is