Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [patch] More secure cookie crumbler?

2004-04-21 Thread Chris Withers
Shane Hathaway wrote: Even with unbreakable encryption of credentials after login, you still send the username and password in the clear at login time, and sniffers can reuse the session ID with ease. You really shouldn't tell the Plone users they will be safer with a session token, because they

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [patch] More secure cookie crumbler?

2004-04-20 Thread Chris Withers
Shane Hathaway wrote: Making cookie authentication secure is surprisingly difficult, and you've barely taken one step. So how does PAS do cookie auth then? Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [patch] More secure cookie crumbler?

2004-04-20 Thread Chris Withers
Shane Hathaway wrote: Hmm. I really wasn't expecting any new code yet. Session cookies are a very significant maintenance burden in Zope, and it's not in my interest to support them. If you don't mind, I think I'll release a version of CC without any session support, then I'll give Chris

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [patch] More secure cookie crumbler?

2004-04-20 Thread Peter Sabaini
Shane Hathaway wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Chris Withers wrote: I wonder how many Plone users are aware their passwords are stored unencrypted in client cookies which fly back and forth waiting to be snapped up by packet sniffers, XSS, and JS attacks ;-) Even with unbreakable encryption of

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [patch] More secure cookie crumbler?

2004-04-20 Thread Shane Hathaway
On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Peter Sabaini wrote: Shane Hathaway wrote: Even with unbreakable encryption of credentials after login, you still send the username and password in the clear at login time, and sniffers can reuse the session ID with ease. You really shouldn't tell the Plone users

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [patch] More secure cookie crumbler?

2004-04-20 Thread Peter Sabaini
Chris Withers wrote: Shane Hathaway wrote: Hmm. I really wasn't expecting any new code yet. Session cookies are a very significant maintenance burden in Zope, and it's not in my interest to support them. If you don't mind, I think I'll release a version of CC without any session support, then

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [patch] More secure cookie crumbler?

2004-04-20 Thread Peter Sabaini
Shane Hathaway wrote: On Tue, 20 Apr 2004, Peter Sabaini wrote: Shane Hathaway wrote: Even with unbreakable encryption of credentials after login, you still send the username and password in the clear at login time, and sniffers can reuse the session ID with ease. You really shouldn't tell the

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [patch] More secure cookie crumbler?

2004-04-16 Thread Stuart Bishop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/04/2004, at 4:28 PM, Kapil Thangavelu wrote: fwiw, Simon Eisenmann checked in a SessionStorage product into the collective which does much the same. released under the zpl http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/collective/SessionCrumbler/ Looks

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [patch] More secure cookie crumbler?

2004-04-16 Thread Stuart Bishop
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 13/04/2004, at 1:40 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote: On 04/12/04 09:04, Chris Withers wrote: For me, that's worth patching for, it's up to you if you want to include it in an offical CookieCrumbler release or not ;-) BTW, I wouldn't mind if you or Stuart

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [patch] More secure cookie crumbler?

2004-04-16 Thread Shane Hathaway
On Sat, 17 Apr 2004, Stuart Bishop wrote: BTW, I wouldn't mind if you or Stuart took over maintainership of CookieCrumbler after the next release. Then you'd be able to take it any direction you want. I don't believe its model can support well the things you're asking it to do, but

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [patch] More secure cookie crumbler?

2004-04-13 Thread Kapil Thangavelu
fwiw, Simon Eisenmann checked in a SessionStorage product into the collective which does much the same. released under the zpl http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/collective/SessionCrumbler/ -kapil ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [patch] More secure cookie crumbler?

2004-04-13 Thread Lennart Regebro
From: Shane Hathaway [EMAIL PROTECTED] Making cookie authentication secure is surprisingly difficult, and you've barely taken one step. I don't want CookieCrumbler to go in this direction at all. A much more fruitful endeavor would be to simply add digest authentication support to Zope's

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [patch] More secure cookie crumbler?

2004-04-12 Thread Stuart Bishop
On 12/04/2004, at 10:39 PM, Shane Hathaway wrote: On Mon, 12 Apr 2004, Chris Withers wrote: I think the attached patch (against CookieCrumbler 1.1) makes CookieCrumbler a little more secure. Your patch won't work with multiple ZEO app servers. It appears to store the tokens in a module global.

Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [patch] More secure cookie crumbler?

2004-04-12 Thread Shane Hathaway
On 04/12/04 09:04, Chris Withers wrote: For me, that's worth patching for, it's up to you if you want to include it in an offical CookieCrumbler release or not ;-) BTW, I wouldn't mind if you or Stuart took over maintainership of CookieCrumbler after the next release. Then you'd be able to