Re: [Zope-dev] Caching Policy Manager (Was: Caching prob with AHCM and headers)

2003-09-25 Thread Andy McKay
RAM caching is useful for "subtemplates."  I am not convinced that we
should think of "resource level" caching (AHCM or Andy's "bake-to-disk
on the fly" solution) in the same framework as the tools like RCM, which
are much better suited for caching intermediate results, but don't scale
well for entire pages.
RCM is an odd caching system that suits a particular need. Is that a no, 
this shouldn't be done or just a comment?
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Re: [Zope-dev] Caching Policy Manager (Was: Caching prob with AHCM and headers)

2003-09-25 Thread Tres Seaver
On Thu, 2003-09-25 at 14:06, Andy McKay wrote:

> This thread and an application for a client has meant i've started to 
> formulate a replacement for Caching Policy Manager. From the way I see 
> it all the functionality in CPM (Vary etc) should be rolled into AHCM.

> CPM should then just be very simple set of policies that using a 
> predicate point to a cache. Which could be an AHCM, or a Ram Cache or 
> another cache. Admittedly Ram Cache is not something you'd normally want 
> to do for CMF content, but there other caching options.

RAM caching is useful for "subtemplates."  I am not convinced that we
should think of "resource level" caching (AHCM or Andy's "bake-to-disk
on the fly" solution) in the same framework as the tools like RCM, which
are much better suited for caching intermediate results, but don't scale
well for entire pages.

Tres.
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Re: [Zope-dev] Caching Policy Manager (Was: Caching prob with AHCM and headers)

2003-09-25 Thread seb bacon
Andy McKay wrote:
This thread and an application for a client has meant i've started to 
formulate a replacement for Caching Policy Manager. From the way I see 
it all the functionality in CPM (Vary etc) should be rolled into AHCM.
+1

What about the "don't cache the following hostnames" knob for the use 
case I outlined previously, which enables you to circumvent caching 
(useful for site editors, for example)?

I think adding an extra virtual host is a very natural way to ensure 
fresh content as it is guaranteed to have a unique key in upstream caches.

seb

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[Zope-dev] Caching Policy Manager (Was: Caching prob with AHCM and headers)

2003-09-25 Thread Andy McKay
This thread and an application for a client has meant i've started to 
formulate a replacement for Caching Policy Manager. From the way I see 
it all the functionality in CPM (Vary etc) should be rolled into AHCM.

CPM should then just be very simple set of policies that using a 
predicate point to a cache. Which could be an AHCM, or a Ram Cache or 
another cache. Admittedly Ram Cache is not something you'd normally want 
to do for CMF content, but there other caching options.

Then we'll have one much more functional AHCM rather than two seperate 
cache managers trying to almost the same thing... and a much more 
flexible and pluggable cacheing strategy.
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