Re: [Zope-dev] Using 2.3.2 for Zope 2.7

[Craeg K Strong]

+1000 for moving directly to 2.3.2
I maintain several existing Zope add-on products that have to change 
anyway to be compatible
with 2.7.  Why on earth would I want to go through that pain *twice* ? 
Change is inevitable.  Killing two birds with one stone means less pain 
overall, IMHO.

--Craeg

Chris McDonough wrote:

Some people at ZC have made pretty compelling arguments to make Python
2.3.2 the "recommended" version of Python to use with Zope 2.7 final. 
I'm wondering if other people have a strong feeling about this either
way.

 



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Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Using 2.3.2 for Zope 2.7

[Andreas Jung]

--On Samstag, 4. Oktober 2003 10:20 Uhr +0300 Myroslav Opyr 
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Not sure if it was Python itself or some 3rd party product like
TextIndexNG but the issues arised.
There is no such problem with TextIndexNG.

-aj

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Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Using 2.3.2 for Zope 2.7

[Myroslav Opyr]

Tres Seaver wrote:

On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 10:58, Andrew Sawyers wrote:
 

I don't know about 'blessing', but I'm using it on a project currently 
(Python 2.3 and Zope 2.6.2) without glitches.
Andrew

Toby Dickenson wrote:
   

Does anyone else have an interest in blessing Zope 2.6.x with Python 2.2/2.3 ?
 

We have deployed Zope 2.6.2 with Python 2.2.3 in production for clients
already;  the garbage collection improvements in Python 2.2.3 were so
compelling that we couldn't reasonably roll them back to Python 2.1.3
after testing.
 

I've several times met indirect evidences that migration of application 
between Python 2.1 -> Python 2.2 got strange pickle-related issues.

Not sure if it was Python itself or some 3rd party product like 
TextIndexNG but the issues arised.

However running something with Python 2.2 or 2.3 from scratch had shown 
no problems.

Regards,

m.
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Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Using 2.3.2 for Zope 2.7

[Fred L. Drake, Jr.]

Paul Winkler writes:
 > then by all means, 2.3.2.  These audits seem to be hard to get going
 > on a regular basis (we've been on python 2.1.3 for how long now?)
 > so I see no point in blessing a version of python that's already not
 > latest-and-greatest.

It's not just that Python 2.2.3 is no longer the latest and greatest,
but that it's no longer on a maintenance track; that's what 2.3.x is.

 > The only counterargument i can think of is that 2.3 may not be
 > bundled with many linux distros yet. I've always compiled my own
 > python for use with zope, so I don't know how big a deal that is.

If someone can set up Zope, they can install Python in their sleep.  I
don't think this is an issue at all.


  -Fred

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Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Using 2.3.2 for Zope 2.7

[Christian Theune]

Am Fr, 2003-10-03 um 17.16 schrieb Paul Winkler:

> The only counterargument i can think of is that 2.3 may not be
> bundled with many linux distros yet. I've always compiled my own
> python for use with zope, so I don't know how big a deal that is.

Debian stable requires it's own backports (self compiled, that is) for
python 2.2 and 2.3 anyway, so for those running Debian/stable on their
servers it won't be much of a difference.

Cheers,
Christian

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Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Using 2.3.2 for Zope 2.7

[Paul Winkler]

On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 10:33:01AM -0400, Chris McDonough wrote:
> Well, to be clear, there hasn't been any formal security audit of the
> combination of Python 2.2 with Zope 2.7.  So we'd lose nothing by moving
> directly to 2.3.  Jim is keen to get an audit going quickly before a 2.7
> final release, and the audit would be performed against Python 2.3.2.

then by all means, 2.3.2.  These audits seem to be hard to get going
on a regular basis (we've been on python 2.1.3 for how long now?)
so I see no point in blessing a version of python that's already not
latest-and-greatest.

The only counterargument i can think of is that 2.3 may not be
bundled with many linux distros yet. I've always compiled my own
python for use with zope, so I don't know how big a deal that is.

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Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Using 2.3.2 for Zope 2.7

[Tres Seaver]

On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 10:58, Andrew Sawyers wrote:

> I don't know about 'blessing', but I'm using it on a project currently 
> (Python 2.3 and Zope 2.6.2) without glitches.
> Andrew
> 
> Toby Dickenson wrote:

> >Does anyone else have an interest in blessing Zope 2.6.x with Python 2.2/2.3 ?

We have deployed Zope 2.6.2 with Python 2.2.3 in production for clients
already;  the garbage collection improvements in Python 2.2.3 were so
compelling that we couldn't reasonably roll them back to Python 2.1.3
after testing.

Tres.
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Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Using 2.3.2 for Zope 2.7

[Paul Winkler]

On Fri, Oct 03, 2003 at 03:48:06PM +0100, Toby Dickenson wrote:
> On Friday 03 October 2003 15:33, Chris McDonough wrote:
> > Jim is keen to get an audit going quickly before a 2.7
> > final release, and the audit would be performed against Python 2.3.2.
> 
> Does anyone else have an interest in blessing Zope 2.6.x with Python 2.2/2.3 ?

yes, but not much time to help out :-(

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Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Using 2.3.2 for Zope 2.7

[Andrew Sawyers]

I don't know about 'blessing', but I'm using it on a project currently 
(Python 2.3 and Zope 2.6.2) without glitches.
Andrew

Toby Dickenson wrote:

On Friday 03 October 2003 15:33, Chris McDonough wrote:
 

Jim is keen to get an audit going quickly before a 2.7
final release, and the audit would be performed against Python 2.3.2.
   

Does anyone else have an interest in blessing Zope 2.6.x with Python 2.2/2.3 ?



 



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Re: [Zope] Re: [Zope-dev] Using 2.3.2 for Zope 2.7

[Toby Dickenson]

On Friday 03 October 2003 15:33, Chris McDonough wrote:
> Jim is keen to get an audit going quickly before a 2.7
> final release, and the audit would be performed against Python 2.3.2.

Does anyone else have an interest in blessing Zope 2.6.x with Python 2.2/2.3 ?



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Re: [Zope-dev] Using 2.3.2 for Zope 2.7

[Chris McDonough]

Well, to be clear, there hasn't been any formal security audit of the
combination of Python 2.2 with Zope 2.7.  So we'd lose nothing by moving
directly to 2.3.  Jim is keen to get an audit going quickly before a 2.7
final release, and the audit would be performed against Python 2.3.2.

On Fri, 2003-10-03 at 10:28, Andreas Jung wrote:
> Weren't there some arguments that the security machinery must be checked 
> against the changes in
> Python 2.3? Are we sure that 2.7 is as secure with 2.3 as with 2.2? In any 
> case a bit +1 for going to 2.3.2.
> 
> -aj
> 
> --On Freitag, 3. Oktober 2003 10:21 Uhr -0400 Chris McDonough 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Some people at ZC have made pretty compelling arguments to make Python
> > 2.3.2 the "recommended" version of Python to use with Zope 2.7 final.
> > I'm wondering if other people have a strong feeling about this either
> > way.
> >
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Re: [Zope-dev] Using 2.3.2 for Zope 2.7

[Andreas Jung]

Weren't there some arguments that the security machinery must be checked 
against the changes in
Python 2.3? Are we sure that 2.7 is as secure with 2.3 as with 2.2? In any 
case a bit +1 for going to 2.3.2.

-aj

--On Freitag, 3. Oktober 2003 10:21 Uhr -0400 Chris McDonough 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Some people at ZC have made pretty compelling arguments to make Python
2.3.2 the "recommended" version of Python to use with Zope 2.7 final.
I'm wondering if other people have a strong feeling about this either
way.
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Zope Corporation
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[Zope-dev] Using 2.3.2 for Zope 2.7

[Chris McDonough]

Some people at ZC have made pretty compelling arguments to make Python
2.3.2 the "recommended" version of Python to use with Zope 2.7 final. 
I'm wondering if other people have a strong feeling about this either
way.

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Zope Corporation


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