Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] Re: Five and 2.9
Martijn Faassen wrote: alan runyan wrote: Alan, does that address your concerns? Just understand that the Five approach is still being developed, so there's nothing to adopt yet. :) But I certainly encourage folks to participate and help Martijn figure out what the approach should be. Raphael, I think its great that Jim responded. Now we (collectively) need to get some usage out of Five. Jim, Thanks for explaining ZC's position re: FrankenZope or backporting CA into Zope2. One of the big questions that I believe is open is how to use more of zope.app in Zope 2 - specifically Schema/Widgets. I heard that Zope Corp. is using this in some projects. Note that FrankenZope is going to go for the new way of Interface integration last I heard (Five's way); the FrankenZope style setup to make interfaces work is not needed anymore since the changes to zope.interface that I did. This new approach works in straight 2.7. I also heard rumors that FrankenZope's use of schema/widgets is actually an evolved branch of an earlier version of Zope 3. Five's mission is to integrate Zope 3 into Zope 2 as much a possible without having to change either. Of course this is not always possible, but it's an important goal. That said, I'm sure we could learn more from FrankenZope's experiences in that area if someone would to speak up about this. Can we please stop using this name in writing? It is funny, but not very reassuring to outsiders. :) Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] Re: Five and 2.9
Jim Fulton wrote: Can we please stop using this name in writing? It is funny, but not very reassuring to outsiders. :) What do we call this project then? :) The Project-that-shall-not-be-named! Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] Re: Five and 2.9
Alan, does that address your concerns? Just understand that the Five approach is still being developed, so there's nothing to adopt yet. :) But I certainly encourage folks to participate and help Martijn figure out what the approach should be. Raphael, I think its great that Jim responded. Now we (collectively) need to get some usage out of Five. Jim, Thanks for explaining ZC's position re: FrankenZope or backporting CA into Zope2. One of the big questions that I believe is open is how to use more of zope.app in Zope 2 - specifically Schema/Widgets. I heard that Zope Corp. is using this in some projects. So - I asked if people to do some CMF/Plone implementation of Views in certain aspects. I am up for creating a Supplement to Plone to bolts on some of the technologies and uses it. Maybe specifically using it for doing in-place versioning. I urge the communities to use Plone or maybe a fork of it (or the CMF) to be a playground. Like Idle forked to land some major features for Python. Then it can be integrated back into subsequent projects. -- Alan Runyan Enfold Systems, LLC. - Principal Plone/Zope Training, Products, and Consulting http://www.enfoldsystems.com/ p. +1.713.942.2377 f. +1.832.201.8856 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
[Zope-dev] Re: [Plone-developers] Re: Five and 2.9
alan runyan wrote: Alan, does that address your concerns? ... One of the big questions that I believe is open is how to use more of zope.app in Zope 2 - specifically Schema/Widgets. I heard that Zope Corp. is using this in some projects. I think we should not be squeemish about using zope.app. Widgets are the main reason that we are using Zope 3 in Zope 2. I would like to see most of the widget code get lifted up out of zope.app. This is of general interest (not just z2). So - I asked if people to do some CMF/Plone implementation of Views in certain aspects. I am up for creating a Supplement to Plone to bolts on some of the technologies and uses it. Maybe specifically using it for doing in-place versioning. I urge the communities to use Plone or maybe a fork of it (or the CMF) to be a playground. Like Idle forked to land some major features for Python. Then it can be integrated back into subsequent projects. I'll note that there is an opportinuty for CMF-based systems that might not be interesting to Five. Specifically, the obvious fact that the mechanisms in the CMF are similar to those in Zope 3. It should be possible to create a new kind of CMF layer that does view lookup. Jim -- Jim Fulton mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Python Powered! CTO (540) 361-1714http://www.python.org Zope Corporation http://www.zope.com http://www.zope.org ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
