Zope Book development moved (was Re: Call for Zope Book volunteers (was Re: Zope Book, was Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?))
I've come to the unfortunate conclusion that Zope.org is just not going to cut it to do Zope Book development work due to its speed (or lack thereof). I'd like to help fix the Zope.org slowness problem, but I'm a little unclear about what's required for me to get the level of access required to do so. I read the stuff at Zope.org/About and Zope.com/Legal but it's a little hard to divine out of the combination what I need to do before I can be allowed to help. So of the Zope.org Application Server Working Group/Zope Application Working Group/Whoever wants help trying to fix it, you know where to find me! Just don't make me attend a 7am committee meeting or sign a noncompete instrument wink. In the meantime, in the spirit of expedience, I'm moving the development version of the book to plope.com. Once 2.7 edition development work is done, I will move a copy of the book back to Zope.org so it can be found easily by newbies. Interested parties can now refer to http://www.plope.com/Books/zb_signup for project information. - C On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 14:13, Chris McDonough wrote: I've set up a development BackTalk sandbox for the 2.7 edition of the Zope book at http://zope.org/Documentation/Books/ZopeBook/2_7Edition. Currently it's just an exact copy of the 2.6 Edition book (comments and all). I think the plan should be for people to: 1. take ownership of a chapter or two 2. address all the comments in the chapter and get rid of comments in places you've addressed. 3. update any material that is wrong wrt to differences between 2.6 and 2.7. The prize for taking ownership and updating two complete chapters is your name as a coauthor on the front page (as before ;-). Another thing to do is to incorporate some of John Whitener's changes the lost chapter referenced all over the place within book comments. I wonder if he's still around. At some point in the future, we can backport some of the changes to the 2.6 book if someone wants to take on that responsibility. It's advisable to use external editor to make the changes or to maybe use FTP to get sandboxed local copies of the book and make changes reuploading them as necessary. I've lost track of whether FTP access is possible or not on Zope.org at this point, however. Does anyone know? I've tried a few ports but nothing. Also, Zope.org is so slow for each request when you're logged in that we may need to move development to another system. As a data point, I've been waiting 4 minutes for Z.org to save a Wiki page... still waiting. Hilarious. Admittedly, it takes a unique brand of apathy to ignore this, but I've got an excuse. I'm waiting for the Zope.org steering committee to solve it! Chuckle. In the meantime, what slowness.. I don't know what you're talking about.. I have given Manager role in the entirety of the 2.7 edition book to both Peter and Paul. Anyone else who wants to contribute, please let me know which chapter(s) you'd like to sign up to revise and I will provide you access as necessary. I've set up a project wiki for the project at http://zope.org/Members/mcdonc/ZB_project where people can get a sense of which chapters are still available. It may not be available yet... still waiting for it to save. I will take ownership of the Installation chapter for now (I will probably take ownership of some other chapters, but I'll start small...) - C ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Call for Zope Book volunteers (was Re: Zope Book, was Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?)
I've set up a development BackTalk sandbox for the 2.7 edition of the Zope book at http://zope.org/Documentation/Books/ZopeBook/2_7Edition. Currently it's just an exact copy of the 2.6 Edition book (comments and all). I think the plan should be for people to: 1. take ownership of a chapter or two 2. address all the comments in the chapter and get rid of comments in places you've addressed. 3. update any material that is wrong wrt to differences between 2.6 and 2.7. The prize for taking ownership and updating two complete chapters is your name as a coauthor on the front page (as before ;-). Another thing to do is to incorporate some of John Whitener's changes the lost chapter referenced all over the place within book comments. I wonder if he's still around. At some point in the future, we can backport some of the changes to the 2.6 book if someone wants to take on that responsibility. It's advisable to use external editor to make the changes or to maybe use FTP to get sandboxed local copies of the book and make changes reuploading them as necessary. I've lost track of whether FTP access is possible or not on Zope.org at this point, however. Does anyone know? I've tried a few ports but nothing. Also, Zope.org is so slow for each request when you're logged in that we may need to move development to another system. As a data point, I've been waiting 4 minutes for Z.org to save a Wiki page... still waiting. Hilarious. Admittedly, it takes a unique brand of apathy to ignore this, but I've got an excuse. I'm waiting for the Zope.org steering committee to solve it! Chuckle. In the meantime, what slowness.. I don't know what you're talking about.. I have given Manager role in the entirety of the 2.7 edition book to both Peter and Paul. Anyone else who wants to contribute, please let me know which chapter(s) you'd like to sign up to revise and I will provide you access as necessary. I've set up a project wiki for the project at http://zope.org/Members/mcdonc/ZB_project where people can get a sense of which chapters are still available. It may not be available yet... still waiting for it to save. I will take ownership of the Installation chapter for now (I will probably take ownership of some other chapters, but I'll start small...) - C ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: Call for Zope Book volunteers (was Re: Zope Book, was Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?)
Sigh. I think I stressed Zope.org to its breaking point by creating a Wiki page. It's down. - C On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 14:13, Chris McDonough wrote: I've set up a development BackTalk sandbox for the 2.7 edition of the Zope book at http://zope.org/Documentation/Books/ZopeBook/2_7Edition. Currently it's just an exact copy of the 2.6 Edition book (comments and all). I think the plan should be for people to: 1. take ownership of a chapter or two 2. address all the comments in the chapter and get rid of comments in places you've addressed. 3. update any material that is wrong wrt to differences between 2.6 and 2.7. The prize for taking ownership and updating two complete chapters is your name as a coauthor on the front page (as before ;-). Another thing to do is to incorporate some of John Whitener's changes the lost chapter referenced all over the place within book comments. I wonder if he's still around. At some point in the future, we can backport some of the changes to the 2.6 book if someone wants to take on that responsibility. It's advisable to use external editor to make the changes or to maybe use FTP to get sandboxed local copies of the book and make changes reuploading them as necessary. I've lost track of whether FTP access is possible or not on Zope.org at this point, however. Does anyone know? I've tried a few ports but nothing. Also, Zope.org is so slow for each request when you're logged in that we may need to move development to another system. As a data point, I've been waiting 4 minutes for Z.org to save a Wiki page... still waiting. Hilarious. Admittedly, it takes a unique brand of apathy to ignore this, but I've got an excuse. I'm waiting for the Zope.org steering committee to solve it! Chuckle. In the meantime, what slowness.. I don't know what you're talking about.. I have given Manager role in the entirety of the 2.7 edition book to both Peter and Paul. Anyone else who wants to contribute, please let me know which chapter(s) you'd like to sign up to revise and I will provide you access as necessary. I've set up a project wiki for the project at http://zope.org/Members/mcdonc/ZB_project where people can get a sense of which chapters are still available. It may not be available yet... still waiting for it to save. I will take ownership of the Installation chapter for now (I will probably take ownership of some other chapters, but I'll start small...) - C ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ) ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: Call for Zope Book volunteers (was Re: Zope Book, was Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?)
Chris McDonough wrote: I've set up a development BackTalk sandbox for the 2.7 edition of the Zope book at http://zope.org/Documentation/Books/ZopeBook/2_7Edition. Currently it's just an exact copy of the 2.6 Edition book (comments and all). I think the plan should be for people to: 1. take ownership of a chapter or two 2. address all the comments in the chapter and get rid of comments in places you've addressed. 3. update any material that is wrong wrt to differences between 2.6 and 2.7. The prize for taking ownership and updating two complete chapters is your name as a coauthor on the front page (as before ;-). Erm, there is no front page... you need to realise the truth: its you who is the front page /lame-matrix-quoting Another thing to do is to incorporate some of John Whitener's changes the lost chapter referenced all over the place within book comments. I wonder if he's still around. Yes he is, I talked about this to him some time ago. In light of this its maybe best if I do the incorporating At some point in the future, we can backport some of the changes to the 2.6 book if someone wants to take on that responsibility. It's advisable to use external editor to make the changes or to maybe use FTP to get sandboxed local copies of the book and make changes reuploading them as necessary. I've lost track of whether FTP access is possible or not on Zope.org at this point, however. Does anyone know? I've tried a few ports but nothing. Hm, we should make the sources available somewhere. Once Zope.org starts working again. Also, Zope.org is so slow for each request when you're logged in that we may need to move development to another system. As a data point, I've been waiting 4 minutes for Z.org to save a Wiki page... still waiting. Hilarious. Admittedly, it takes a unique brand of apathy to ignore this, but I've got an excuse. I'm waiting for the Zope.org steering committee to solve it! Chuckle. In the meantime, what slowness.. I don't know what you're talking about.. Nono not slow at all merely... andante. Or broken down. Or something. I have given Manager role in the entirety of the 2.7 edition book to both Peter and Paul. Anyone else who wants to contribute, please let me know which chapter(s) you'd like to sign up to revise and I will provide you access as necessary. I've set up a project wiki for the project at http://zope.org/Members/mcdonc/ZB_project where people can get a sense of which chapters are still available. It may not be available yet... still waiting for it to save. I will take ownership of the Installation chapter for now (I will probably take ownership of some other chapters, but I'll start small...) Erm, I'd like the Installation chapter. Already started on it. Really, I promise :-) opening-a-bottle-of-favourite-austrian-beer-and-hacking-away'ly peter. - C smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: Call for Zope Book volunteers (was Re: Zope Book, was Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?)
On Wed, Apr 21, 2004 at 02:13:30PM -0400, Chris McDonough wrote: I've set up a development BackTalk sandbox for the 2.7 edition of the Zope book at http://zope.org/Documentation/Books/ZopeBook/2_7Edition. Currently it's just an exact copy of the 2.6 Edition book (comments and all). Also, Zope.org is so slow for each request when you're logged in that we may need to move development to another system. Why don't we use the project CVS at sourceforge? http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=21038 I see you're an admin there. It doesn't look like it has the 2.6 edition, though. Everything's 2 years old. As a data point, I've been waiting 4 minutes for Z.org to save a Wiki page... still waiting. Hilarious. Admittedly, it takes a unique brand of apathy to ignore this, but I've got an excuse. I'm waiting for the Zope.org steering committee to solve it! Chuckle. In the meantime, what slowness.. I don't know what you're talking about.. They're really crawling now :-( -- Paul Winkler http://www.slinkp.com ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: Call for Zope Book volunteers (was Re: Zope Book, was Re: [Zope-dev] The bleak Future of Zope?)
On Wed, 2004-04-21 at 14:52, Paul Winkler wrote: Why don't we use the project CVS at sourceforge? http://sourceforge.net/cvs/?group_id=21038 I see you're an admin there. I'm +0 on the idea.. if you and Peter are more comfortable with it than using BackTalk, I'll set it up. It's just difficult to keep the BackTalk stuff in sync with CVS; we'd probably need to write a script to do it. It doesn't look like it has the 2.6 edition, though. Everything's 2 years old. Yeah, it's dead dead dead. - C ___ Zope-Dev maillist - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
