Re: [Zope-dev] [Interested?] New use for Zope+CMF+Archetypes -- startup time improvements

2005-05-17 Thread Dieter Maurer
Dieter Maurer wrote at 2005-5-14 20:37 +0200:
>Andreas Jung wrote at 2005-5-14 11:00 +0200:
>> ...
>>Although I already worked with pypackage my questions:  is it an optional
>>feature or will pypackage take control over all and everything?
>
>Provided that any access to a package relative resource
>is converted from "dirname(__file__)" to "package_home"
>logic to use or not use "pypackage" could be localized in "package_home"
>and (maybe) "OFS.Application.get_products".

After a new thought, I doubt this is worth the effort.

  When "pypackage" is part of Zope why should Zope not
  depend on it?

  Of course, this should not apply to third party products.
  And indeed, as long as they do not want to run from
  a zip archive or as part of a frozen application, they
  can ignore "pypackage".

  When they use "package_home" (rather than "dirname(__file__)"
  to access package local resources, they are independent
  of any "pypackage" consideration.

-- 
Dieter
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Re: [Zope-dev] [Interested?] New use for Zope+CMF+Archetypes -- startup time improvements

2005-05-14 Thread Dieter Maurer
Andreas Jung wrote at 2005-5-14 11:00 +0200:
> ...
>Although I already worked with pypackage my questions:  is it an optional
>feature or will pypackage take control over all and everything?

Provided that any access to a package relative resource
is converted from "dirname(__file__)" to "package_home"
logic to use or not use "pypackage" could be localized in "package_home"
and (maybe) "OFS.Application.get_products".

>Products
>using __path__ or changing the current directory need to be fixed, right?

"__path__" is a string in a frozen application.
It is likely that any software part that uses "__path__"
currently asumes it to be a list.

Any product that tries the change the current directory to 
lie in a ZIP archive or execatable will observe that this
is impossible.

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Re: [Zope-dev] [Interested?] New use for Zope+CMF+Archetypes -- startup time improvements

2005-05-14 Thread robert rottermann
Dieter,
this sounds very interesting.
The idea of creating  such application that are "shared" between desktop 
and web has always appealed me and I was wondering how to implement it.

So I would be very interested
- that your patches make their way to the Zope core (I am not a Zope 
core contributor tough)
- to learn more about what you have done.

Robert
Dieter Maurer wrote:
Dear Zope developers,
we have used Zope+CMF+Archetypes in a new way -- not
as a Web Application framework but as a framework for
desktop applications that share a large part of their
functionality with online applications (implemented with Zope+CMF+Archetypes).
A major stumbling block has been Zope's incredibly high startup
time. We observerd times in the order of a minute on computers
with either slow CPU or slow IO. This may be acceptable for
a Web server but is prohibitive for a desktop application -- especially
as the predecessor application started within a few seconds.
To overcome this obstacle, we tweaked Zope and fixed Python's import
mechanism such that Zope now starts either out of a ZIP archive
or as a frozen application. These measures had the following results.
 Startup times on a mid range computer (AMD Athon 1.4 GHz; 512 MB memory)
 with a standard IDE disk.
Cold start  Warm start
(after computer startup)(most files in OS cache)
   File system 13s5s
   ZIP archive  8s4s
   Frozen   5s3s
In more details, we did:
 *  implement a package for a new kind of "url"s "pypackage:"
for package relative access to resources.
The package monkey patches Python's "open", "os.listdir",
"os.stat" to provide transparent access to
"pypackage:" identified resources.
It currently support package relative access for
packages loaded from the file system, from a ZIP
archive and from the executable itself (i.e. frozen packages).
In the last case, the resources are in a separate ZIP
archive.
This package might be interesting for Python as a whole
as it is not Zope specific.
 *  implement a shared object importer to be used
as a Python "meta_path" hook.
This importer allows to load shared objects into the context
of a parent package (such as e.g. "ZODB.TimeStamp") although
the shared object is not located inside the package's source
(ZIP archive or executable).
 *  fix about 70 occurrences in Zope code where
package relative access was implemented by "dirname(__file__)"
to consistenty use "package_home".
 *  modify about a dozen places in Zope+CMF to use
"pypackage:" and cope with "__path__" not being a list
for frozen packages
 *  fix a few products (Archetypes and friends, TextIndexNG2,
PlacelessTranslationService, ...) to use
"package_home" (rather than "dirname(__file__)") and
not to change the current working directory (which obviously
would fail for destinationsbe in a ZIP archive
or the executable).
 *  implement lazy loading of "ImageFile"s to
reduce the risk of recursive imports (and reduce startup time).
 *  support lazy product initialization
 *  support configuration from a pickle file (to avoid
expensive parsing of the schema and configuration files).
The pickle is used as a configuration cache.
 *  fixed Python's import mechanism not to treat ZIP
archives as a directory when the archive could not
find a module.
If you were *really* interested in these startup time improvements,
I could provide patches which might be integrated
in the Zope core for e.g. Zope 2.9.
 
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Re: [Zope-dev] [Interested?] New use for Zope+CMF+Archetypes -- startup time improvements

2005-05-14 Thread Andreas Jung

--On Freitag, 13. Mai 2005 19:26 Uhr +0200 Dieter Maurer 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

If you were *really* interested in these startup time improvements,
I could provide patches which might be integrated
in the Zope core for e.g. Zope 2.9.
Although I already worked with pypackage my questions:  is it an optional
feature or will pypackage take control over all and everything? Products
using __path__ or changing the current directory need to be fixed, right?
I think 2.9 would be a good target. If there is common agreement that
it should go into the core (+1 from my side) then please wait with
submitting patches until we have cut a release branch for Zope 2.8...then
the trunk can be used for new features for Zope 2.9.
Andreas



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