Re: [Zope-dev] Can ZTK 1.0 support Python 2.7?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Charlie Clark wrote: > Am 13.07.2010, 20:48 Uhr, schrieb Christian Zagrodnick : > >> Actually I was thinking about the individual packages. I assume >> dropping Python 2.4 should bump the respective package version at least >> from 1.x.y to 1.x+1.0, right? > > ZTK 1.1 will officially not support Python < 2.6 but it won't seek to > actively break 2.4 and 2.5. > > It sounds like you are suggesting what to do about packages that > definitely don't work with < 2.6. While I would have thought a syntax > change shouldn't mean a major version, breaking compatibility obviously > warrants some thought. But then I wouldn't expect a release just based on > new syntax. Have you got a specific example in mind? I would say that a release of a ZTK package which drops support for a Python version still supported by ZTK 1.0.x should get a second-level version bump: that is the best possible signal that it is not a candidate for inclusion in ZTK 1.0.x+1. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design"http://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkw86AgACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ4seQCfayQ3RC8Hf2UNWtFa+qshsfsT 5PUAoL7A2T1thC/nxb+wotPZsqXR2Rjd =cDFb -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Can ZTK 1.0 support Python 2.7?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Marius Gedminas wrote: > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 10:01:35AM -0400, Tres Seaver wrote: >> Hanno Schlichting wrote: >>> On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Charlie Clark >>> wrote: what's the time frame for ZTK 1.0? >>> I put that info into the "post scriptum" of my mail. >>> Have I missed a mail with more failures? I would have thought getting those tests to pass for a release is a reasonable aim. >>> You have. It's only "bin/test-ztk" that passes. bin/test-zopeapp still >>> has a number of failures. >> There is also the zope.testing failure where a doctest tries to drive >> the pdb module: 2.7 added a new intermediate (private) method to the >> call stack in unittest's 'assertEqual', which causes that test to fail. > > That shouldn't be too difficult to fix; zope.testing already uses quite > a few regexp-based renormalizers to hide traceback elements that differ > in different Python versions. > > (Debugging those is a pain, though.) Can't be renormalized, as the pdb session requires sending an extra 'u' to get to the expected stack frame (it's a dumb test, FWIW). Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design"http://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkw854MACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ4nSACg0y6g7ZuAJaw7H3nFAFqBWAws FvAAnjEaVCDoEhl/XzivN8XgTVfl7Qnu =8ERm -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Can ZTK 1.0 support Python 2.7?
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 10:01:35AM -0400, Tres Seaver wrote: > Hanno Schlichting wrote: > > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Charlie Clark > > wrote: > >> what's the time frame for ZTK 1.0? > > > > I put that info into the "post scriptum" of my mail. > > > >> Have I missed a mail with more failures? I would have thought getting > >> those tests to pass for a release is a reasonable aim. > > > > You have. It's only "bin/test-ztk" that passes. bin/test-zopeapp still > > has a number of failures. > > There is also the zope.testing failure where a doctest tries to drive > the pdb module: 2.7 added a new intermediate (private) method to the > call stack in unittest's 'assertEqual', which causes that test to fail. That shouldn't be too difficult to fix; zope.testing already uses quite a few regexp-based renormalizers to hide traceback elements that differ in different Python versions. (Debugging those is a pain, though.) Marius Gedminas -- http://pov.lt/ -- Zope 3 consulting and development signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Can ZTK 1.0 support Python 2.7?
Am 13.07.2010, 20:48 Uhr, schrieb Christian Zagrodnick : > Actually I was thinking about the individual packages. I assume > dropping Python 2.4 should bump the respective package version at least > from 1.x.y to 1.x+1.0, right? ZTK 1.1 will officially not support Python < 2.6 but it won't seek to actively break 2.4 and 2.5. It sounds like you are suggesting what to do about packages that definitely don't work with < 2.6. While I would have thought a syntax change shouldn't mean a major version, breaking compatibility obviously warrants some thought. But then I wouldn't expect a release just based on new syntax. Have you got a specific example in mind? Charlie -- Charlie Clark Managing Director Clark Consulting & Research German Office Helmholtzstr. 20 Düsseldorf D- 40215 Tel: +49-211-600-3657 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Can ZTK 1.0 support Python 2.7?
On 2010-07-13 20:37:42 +0200, Tres Seaver said: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Christian Zagrodnick wrote: >> On 2010-07-13 14:12:01 +0200, Hanno Schlichting said: >> >>> Hi. >>> >>> We have Python 2.7 final now and some work has begun on making ZTK >>> packages compatible with it. Currently we still see various test >>> failures in the zopeapp set though and nobody who steps up to fix >>> them. >>> >>> Apart from that, we have made a promise to support Python 2.4 up to >>> 2.6 for the ZTK 1.0 release. The ZODB 3.10 releases do no longer >>> support Python 2.4 but require 2.5. The ZODB 3.9.x releases are in >>> maintenance mode for a while and currently don't support Python 2.7. I >>> doubt that we can get official 2.7 support for the 3.9.x release line. >>> >>> Given all of these, I'm leaning towards not supporting Python 2.7 for >>> a ZTK 1.0 release. A 1.1 can drop Python 2.4 support and we can try to >>> support 2.7 in addition. >> >> Yes, ZTK 1.0 should become stable/released soon. Adding a new Python >> version or removing one, doesn't help. >> >> But I really want to see Python 2.7 support rather soon. So how do we >> actually proceed there? Even after ZTK 1.0 is out, how is the >> transition made to 1.1? I suppose there could be a 1.0.1 at the same >> time as a 1.1.0. > > As soon as we get to 1.0b1, the release team will make a 'branches/1.0' > branch for stabilization, and the trunk can then be updated to drop 2.4 > support and add 2.7 support. Actually I was thinking about the individual packages. I assume dropping Python 2.4 should bump the respective package version at least from 1.x.y to 1.x+1.0, right? -- Christian Zagrodnick · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh & co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 4 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Can ZTK 1.0 support Python 2.7?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Christian Zagrodnick wrote: > On 2010-07-13 14:12:01 +0200, Hanno Schlichting said: > >> Hi. >> >> We have Python 2.7 final now and some work has begun on making ZTK >> packages compatible with it. Currently we still see various test >> failures in the zopeapp set though and nobody who steps up to fix >> them. >> >> Apart from that, we have made a promise to support Python 2.4 up to >> 2.6 for the ZTK 1.0 release. The ZODB 3.10 releases do no longer >> support Python 2.4 but require 2.5. The ZODB 3.9.x releases are in >> maintenance mode for a while and currently don't support Python 2.7. I >> doubt that we can get official 2.7 support for the 3.9.x release line. >> >> Given all of these, I'm leaning towards not supporting Python 2.7 for >> a ZTK 1.0 release. A 1.1 can drop Python 2.4 support and we can try to >> support 2.7 in addition. > > Yes, ZTK 1.0 should become stable/released soon. Adding a new Python > version or removing one, doesn't help. > > But I really want to see Python 2.7 support rather soon. So how do we > actually proceed there? Even after ZTK 1.0 is out, how is the > transition made to 1.1? I suppose there could be a 1.0.1 at the same > time as a 1.1.0. As soon as we get to 1.0b1, the release team will make a 'branches/1.0' branch for stabilization, and the trunk can then be updated to drop 2.4 support and add 2.7 support. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design"http://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkw8snEACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ60igCfdL4gBCN3vGoxRgsD4bKOoyhX PqMAn28VTzBhMAt5xGQSXWbIBoyhIXKB =y36w -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Can ZTK 1.0 support Python 2.7?
On 2010-07-13 14:12:01 +0200, Hanno Schlichting said: > Hi. > > We have Python 2.7 final now and some work has begun on making ZTK > packages compatible with it. Currently we still see various test > failures in the zopeapp set though and nobody who steps up to fix > them. > > Apart from that, we have made a promise to support Python 2.4 up to > 2.6 for the ZTK 1.0 release. The ZODB 3.10 releases do no longer > support Python 2.4 but require 2.5. The ZODB 3.9.x releases are in > maintenance mode for a while and currently don't support Python 2.7. I > doubt that we can get official 2.7 support for the 3.9.x release line. > > Given all of these, I'm leaning towards not supporting Python 2.7 for > a ZTK 1.0 release. A 1.1 can drop Python 2.4 support and we can try to > support 2.7 in addition. Yes, ZTK 1.0 should become stable/released soon. Adding a new Python version or removing one, doesn't help. But I really want to see Python 2.7 support rather soon. So how do we actually proceed there? Even after ZTK 1.0 is out, how is the transition made to 1.1? I suppose there could be a 1.0.1 at the same time as a 1.1.0. Regards, -- Christian Zagrodnick · c...@gocept.com gocept gmbh & co. kg · forsterstraße 29 · 06112 halle (saale) · germany http://gocept.com · tel +49 345 1229889 4 · fax +49 345 1229889 1 Zope and Plone consulting and development ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Can ZTK 1.0 support Python 2.7?
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 2:12 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote: > Given all of these, I'm leaning towards not supporting Python 2.7 for > a ZTK 1.0 release. A 1.1 can drop Python 2.4 support and we can try to > support 2.7 in addition. We discussed this in todays zope-dev IRC meeting. There was general support for this approach. The 1.1 release should follow the 1.0 release rather soon in this case. I'll bring it up in the release team. Thanks all, Hanno ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Can ZTK 1.0 support Python 2.7?
On 07/13/2010 02:12 PM, Hanno Schlichting wrote: > Given all of these, I'm leaning towards not supporting Python 2.7 for > a ZTK 1.0 release. A 1.1 can drop Python 2.4 support and we can try to > support 2.7 in addition. +1 For Zope standards we'd still be very fast with supporting Python 2.7 if we do this (assuming 1.1 will be out before, say, 2012 :). Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Can ZTK 1.0 support Python 2.7?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hanno Schlichting wrote: > On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Charlie Clark > wrote: >> what's the time frame for ZTK 1.0? > > I put that info into the "post scriptum" of my mail. > >> Have I missed a mail with more failures? I would have thought getting >> those tests to pass for a release is a reasonable aim. > > You have. It's only "bin/test-ztk" that passes. bin/test-zopeapp still > has a number of failures. There is also the zope.testing failure where a doctest tries to drive the pdb module: 2.7 added a new intermediate (private) method to the call stack in unittest's 'assertEqual', which causes that test to fail. Tres. - -- === Tres Seaver +1 540-429-0999 tsea...@palladion.com Palladion Software "Excellence by Design"http://palladion.com -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAkw8cboACgkQ+gerLs4ltQ4SHACfUniSb5VOU8A0eWww1uyr+Nav QUsAoMt8Dbz+DT4ZTcv1SA1gB6Oep+Us =JyFb -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Can ZTK 1.0 support Python 2.7?
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:23 PM, Charlie Clark wrote: > what's the time frame for ZTK 1.0? I put that info into the "post scriptum" of my mail. > Have I missed a mail with more failures? I would have thought getting > those tests to pass for a release is a reasonable aim. You have. It's only "bin/test-ztk" that passes. bin/test-zopeapp still has a number of failures. Hanno ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Can ZTK 1.0 support Python 2.7?
Am 13.07.2010, 14:12 Uhr, schrieb Hanno Schlichting : > What do others think about this? Hanno, what's the time frame for ZTK 1.0? From your previous mail there were three packages with test failures on 2.7. But I thought these were fixed? """ I fixed all of those and released new versions. bin/test-ztk should now pass under Python 2.7. """ Have I missed a mail with more failures? I would have thought getting those tests to pass for a release is a reasonable aim. Charlie -- Charlie Clark Managing Director Clark Consulting & Research German Office Helmholtzstr. 20 Düsseldorf D- 40215 Tel: +49-211-600-3657 Mobile: +49-178-782-6226 ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Can ZTK 1.0 support Python 2.7?
On Tue, Jul 13, 2010 at 3:07 PM, Stephan Richter wrote: > On Tuesday, July 13, 2010, Hanno Schlichting wrote: >> What do others think about this? > > Based on what you wrote, I think this is the right solution. Python 2.4 is > clearly important to the Zope 2 / Plone world. Actually both Zope2 and Plone 4 (as a potential user of the ZTK) are requiring Python 2.6 and don't even support Python 2.5 anymore. It's BlueBream and direct ZTK consumers that asked for the Python 2.4 support ;-) Anyways we decided to keep Python 2.4 for a ZTK release and codified that at http://docs.zope.org/zopetoolkit/process/python-versions.html Hanno ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
Re: [Zope-dev] Can ZTK 1.0 support Python 2.7?
On Tuesday, July 13, 2010, Hanno Schlichting wrote: > What do others think about this? Based on what you wrote, I think this is the right solution. Python 2.4 is clearly important to the Zope 2 / Plone world. Regards, Stephan -- Entrepreneur and Software Geek Google me. "Zope Stephan Richter" ___ Zope-Dev maillist - Zope-Dev@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope )
