Re: [Zope-dev] zope.test.doctest made into monkey-patches (Was: Circular dependency hell.)

2010-04-21 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 15:23, Lennart Regebro wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 13:44, Wichert Akkerman wrote: >> You may want to move it outside the zope.* namespace to encourage that :) > > We could certainly do that. But the support for that idea seems very small, so let's stay with zope.test

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.test.doctest made into monkey-patches (Was: Circular dependency hell.)

2010-04-21 Thread Marius Gedminas
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 07:10:38AM +0200, Lennart Regebro wrote: > > Let zope.testing.doctest wither and die > > It hasn't been merged from python trunk since 2004, and the amount of > bugfixes on that Python trunk since then is astounding. So I'd argue > that is *is* withered. The monkey-patching

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.test.doctest made into monkey-patches

2010-04-20 Thread Wolfgang Schnerring
* Jim Fulton [2010-04-20 20:35]: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: >> And here is another interesting experiment: >> svn+ssh://rege...@svn.zope.org/repos/main/zope.testing/branches/regebro-doctest-patching >> It replaces the custom doctest.py with monkey-patches. >> >> Ben

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.test.doctest made into monkey-patches (Was: Circular dependency hell.)

2010-04-20 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 20:35, Jim Fulton wrote: > Monkey patching should be used as a last resort. Monkey > patching the standard library is likely to make us look like > jack asses. Possibly. But having a doctest module with loads of bugs that doesn't even behave exactly the same maybe doesn't

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.test.doctest made into monkey-patches (Was: Circular dependency hell.)

2010-04-20 Thread Jim Fulton
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 4:46 AM, Lennart Regebro wrote: > And here is another interesting experiment: > > svn+ssh://rege...@svn.zope.org/repos/main/zope.testing/branches/regebro-doctest-patching > > It replaces the custom doctest.py with monkey-patches. > I will report these to the Python bugtrack

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.test.doctest made into monkey-patches (Was: Circular dependency hell.)

2010-04-20 Thread Christian Theune
On 04/20/2010 03:59 PM, Martin Aspeli wrote: > On 20 April 2010 21:23, Lennart Regebro wrote: >> On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 13:44, Wichert Akkerman wrote: >>> You may want to move it outside the zope.* namespace to encourage that :) > > -1 > > I think zope.testrunner is just fine, and acknowledges t

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.test.doctest made into monkey-patches (Was: Circular dependency hell.)

2010-04-20 Thread Martin Aspeli
On 20 April 2010 21:23, Lennart Regebro wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 13:44, Wichert Akkerman wrote: >> You may want to move it outside the zope.* namespace to encourage that :) -1 I think zope.testrunner is just fine, and acknowledges the heritage. Namespaces should be about which community

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.test.doctest made into monkey-patches (Was: Circular dependency hell.)

2010-04-20 Thread Stephan Richter
On Tuesday 20 April 2010, Lennart Regebro wrote: > (zope.testrunner of course also being one perfectly good idea). I like zope.testrunner. If it gets its own Web site (eventually), we have a good place to guide people there. Regards. Stephan -- Entrepreneur and Software Geek Google me. "Zope St

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.test.doctest made into monkey-patches (Was: Circular dependency hell.)

2010-04-20 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 15:23, Lennart Regebro wrote: > On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 13:44, Wichert Akkerman wrote: >> You may want to move it outside the zope.* namespace to encourage that :) > > We could certainly do that. > > > Jarrett - After Arthur Jarrett, convicted of the crime of  making of >

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.test.doctest made into monkey-patches (Was: Circular dependency hell.)

2010-04-20 Thread Lennart Regebro
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 13:44, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > You may want to move it outside the zope.* namespace to encourage that :) We could certainly do that. Jarrett - After Arthur Jarrett, convicted of the crime of making of gratuitous sexist jokes in a moving picture. Or maybe not. :) Othe

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.test.doctest made into monkey-patches (Was: Circular dependency hell.)

2010-04-20 Thread Fred Drake
On Tue, Apr 20, 2010 at 7:44 AM, Wichert Akkerman wrote: > You may want to move it outside the zope.* namespace to encourage that :) People interested in interfaces or component architectures don't seem to mind using zope.interface or zope.component; those get selected on their own merits with so

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.test.doctest made into monkey-patches (Was: Circular dependency hell.)

2010-04-20 Thread Wichert Akkerman
On 4/20/10 13:37 , Stephan Richter wrote: > On Tuesday 20 April 2010, Lennart Regebro wrote: >> It replaces the custom doctest.py with monkey-patches. >> I will report these to the Python bugtracker as well, although I have >> no hope of getting them into Python 2.7. But that doesn't matter much. >

Re: [Zope-dev] zope.test.doctest made into monkey-patches (Was: Circular dependency hell.)

2010-04-20 Thread Stephan Richter
On Tuesday 20 April 2010, Lennart Regebro wrote: > It replaces the custom doctest.py with monkey-patches. > I will report these to the Python bugtracker as well, although I have > no hope of getting them into Python 2.7. But that doesn't matter much. > > :) Fantastic. I really hate the improper c