Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated

2006-03-23 Thread Lennart Regebro
On 3/23/06, Tom Von Lahndorff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I was also thinking that there should be a discussion board on the
 site like Apple's support boards.

I don't want both mailing lists and forums unless they can be integrated.

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Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated

2006-03-23 Thread Jens Vagelpohl

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I was also thinking that there should be a discussion board on the  
site like Apple's support boards. Many of the support questions  
answered on Apple's boards are from other customers. It's a nice  
one stop shop for questions and answers for those who may not want  
to subscribe to mailing list. It would be nice to have that option.

http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa


- -1 on Forums. There is no good forum software around for Zope which  
is fast and won't bog down the server, and it introduces a big  
software maintenance/editorial burden.


jens

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Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated

2006-03-23 Thread Chris Withers

Tom Von Lahndorff wrote:


http://www.modscape.com/zope

03/22/06. Updated the homepage. Added the Zope 3 box. Created a download 
page. Click on Download Zope under Download in the nav.


I don't like the big digits for 2 and 3, makes those images look 
really garish.


On the download page, Zope 2 should be above Zope 3.

Like everything else :-)

I was also thinking that there should be a discussion board on the site 
like Apple's support boards. Many of the support questions answered on 
Apple's boards are from other customers. It's a nice one stop shop for 
questions and answers for those who may not want to subscribe to mailing 
list. It would be nice to have that option.

http://discussions.apple.com/index.jspa


No, forums or mailing lists, not both.

Mailing lists are already there, so forums suck ;-)

A decent list of the lists available would rock, as would nice 
searchable archives. However, google and gmane take care of the latter 
requirement, which is hard to implement...


Chris

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Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated

2006-03-23 Thread Tom Von Lahndorff



- I think fly out menus on Web pages just don't Feel Good (not to
  mention the debatable usability problems they might introduce[2]).


See Mike D.'s comments on that article which pretty  much sums up my 
rationale and implementation.


Still not convinced, but that's just me. We don't have such a deep 
structure or information density, I would simply put a context navigation 
on the left (or right) for each section but not on the homepage, like on 
this two pages:


http://www.mozilla.org/support/
http://www.mozilla.org/about/

Very simple.


Not really. Just the opposite actually, confusing. My design is certainly 
more simple than mozilla's. Inconsistent page layout. I like sites that 
have a consistent layout throughout, including the homepage. It's confusing 
when the navigation changes on a page by page basis. In my case there's no 
scheme that the user has to *get*.





Tonico

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Re: [ZWeb] V3 Updated

2006-03-23 Thread Tonico Strasser

Tom Von Lahndorff schrieb:



- I think fly out menus on Web pages just don't Feel Good (not to
  mention the debatable usability problems they might introduce[2]).


See Mike D.'s comments on that article which pretty  much sums up my 
rationale and implementation.


Still not convinced, but that's just me. We don't have such a deep 
structure or information density, I would simply put a context 
navigation on the left (or right) for each section but not on the 
homepage, like on this two pages:


http://www.mozilla.org/support/
http://www.mozilla.org/about/

Very simple.


Not really. Just the opposite actually, confusing. My design is 
certainly more simple than mozilla's. Inconsistent page layout. I like 
sites that have a consistent layout throughout, including the homepage. 
It's confusing when the navigation changes on a page by page basis. In 
my case there's no scheme that the user has to *get*.


I agree that the consistency is a hight priority (nevertheless I find 
mozilla.org pretty user friendly).


I also think a *visible* 2nd level navigation is very important for 
orientation. Maybe we agree on the basic question of a random visitor on 
a Web site:


A) Where am I?

B) Where do I come from (or how did I come here)?

C) Where can I go from here?

To answer B the page must either have a navigation system in which the 
context is obvious, or at least a breadcrumb navigation trail.


If you have a visible 2nd (and maybe 3rd) level navigation the fly out 
menus become redundant. Note: I'm not saying that the navigation must 
change on different sections or that the fly out menus must be disabled 
to achieve this.


Tonico

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