[ZWeb] ANN: zope wiki edits now require authentication
Dear all, edit spam across the wiki.zope.org wikis, gradually increasing over the years, has reached multiple incidents per day, multiple days per month. Current cleanup procedures take too much time (and are not 100% thorough - spam remains in history) and I don't want to spend time developing cleverer defenses. Therefore, from today making changes on any of the wiki.zope.org wikis requires authentication (a zwiki username cookie is no longer enough.) This marks the transition of our wikis from those early, lowest- possible-barrier-to-entry wiki days, to the modern era of mandatory access control. :-/ Since there is no member management software in place to allow you to self-register, to get a login you'll need to either - ask an admin to make one for you. The current wiki.zope.org admin users are: Simon Michael, Andreas Jung, Baiju Muthukadan, Sascha Welter, Michael Haubenwallner, Fred Drake, Jim Fulton, Ken Manheimer, Kevin Teague. - use this generic login: zope, zope. The downside of using this a lot is that edit history will become less useful. Also, on wikis using the default skin (all but the zope3 wiki), to trigger a login prompt you'll need to manually visit some restricted url. Eg append /editform to any page, like so: http://wiki.zope.org/zope2/Zope2Wiki/editform I hope this will stop the spam, and not inconvenience editors too much. Please let me know if you have authenticated and still can't edit. If you are interested in improving this setup, doing any other maintenance of the zope wikis, or taking over as zope wiki czar - please step forward! I'd be happy to mentor and provide all needed support. Best, -Simon ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Delete http://wiki.zope.org/zopeframework
Hi Christian.. ok, deleted. Thanks. -Simon On Sep 15, 2009, at 1:53 AM, Christian Theune wrote: Hi, can you delete that thing? It's neither called framework nor is there any relevant information. Thanks! Christian ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] wiki.zope.org spam filter fixed
Dear all.. I recently tweaked the spam filter for all wiki.zope.org wikis to stop a spambot. But, I did it wrong and managed to block some ordinary edits and comments. Sorry about that, it's fixed now. Cheers, -Simon ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] an idea for the wiki
Oh. That seems a pity, with Zope 3.4 just out; a site facelift would help. Would the designer care to comment ? ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] an idea for the wiki
new.zope.org is looking good. Stimulated by the pending z3 release I was thinking about using the styles to give the z3 wiki a facelift, to create more coherency, similar to djangoproject.org where everything is integrated under a consistent skin. Then I realised it's a plone site, so you could just move the wiki in and it should acquire the skin without further effort. I think it might look pretty good. What do folks think about trying this ? ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] wiki.zope.org
There is an apache, but zope was listening on all ports. Michael showed me how to restrict it to 127.0.0.1, thanks guys. -Simon ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] Re: [wiki.zope.org] update
I did this: - investigated a little - we are running three zope servers in a xen instance with 512M ram, debian stable, apache 2.2.3-4. The wikis are running zope 2.10.3 - a 14-day pack of wiki.zope.org (3G - 300M) - installed a cron task to check wiki.zope.org zope size every minute and restart it if it goes over 350M - upgraded to Zwiki 0.61 - (tried to) co-subscribe http://wiki.zope.org/WikiZopeOrg and zope- web so I can post updates in one place. I'll stop this if it becomes a problem. - left the 3 zope threads with cache-size 3 as-is, for now -- forwarded from http://wiki.zope.org/WikiZopeOrg#msgCC12D7D0-2BAC-4315-81FA-E69A4E2ED6A3 @joyful.com ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] Re: wiki.zope.org heads-up
Done. There shouldn't be any unicode errors when browsing wiki.zope.org now, if you find any please let me know. History can be seen in the usual way, by clicking the last edited time or via the y or d access keys. As a bonus, page rendering is now a little faster. ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] wiki.zope.org is still unreachable
wiki.zope.org's zope server, at least, should have those startup scripts already. Pretty sure I saw it start up after the last server outage. ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] wiki.zope.org is still unreachable
PS to be clear - wiki.zope.org has been running much better on the Amaze server than it did on mine. Perhaps we can get it added to the Amaze monitoring/quick-response system ? That would be awesome. ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Grok Wiki
Grok wiki is ready to use ! http://wiki.zope.org/grok Keeping grok in the zope3 wiki is another option. Baijum has manage access and I'll add it for anyone else necessary, so you can do what's needed. Also wiki.zope.org is now back online, there was a network issue at the server. Cheers -Simon ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] [AboutThisSite] new wiki.zope.org server
Zopistas - I'm pleased to announce that wiki.zope.org has moved to a more powerful server. You should now or very soon see wiki.zope.org pointing to 194.109.109.175. This is also the machine hosting foundation.zope.org, kindly provided by amaze.nl. We are in shake-down mode - all wikis should be working as before, including mail-out and mail-in. There is one open issue - some pages are giving UnicodeDecodeError (http://zwiki.org/1330 , help welcome) - please report any others. More details: ZSyncer worked like a champ here. I used it to transfer all the wikis over in one shot last week, did the testing, and when dns changed today, did one more sync to transfer the recent changes. old server: 256M, 4-cpu VPS, zope 2.9.4, zeo, cache-size 3000 new server: 768M, 1-cpu VPS, zope 2.10.3, non-zeo for now, cache-size 3 I haven't measured much speedup of transactions on the new server - a mild slowdown, in fact, for reasons unknown (single vs 4 cpus ?). But zope finally has enough ram to breathe, so I expect things to feel quicker, and much more consistent. Restarts now take 10s instead of 3 minutes, and will hopefully be a rare manual event. Yay! Thanks to Martijn Faassen, Bas van der Linden, and Andrew Sawyer for their help. I am available for consulting work! Check out the updated http://joyful.com to find out more. Best, -Simon ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] wiki.zope.org down again
Sorry folks. I've had more trouble bringing my zope up after a restart, and I'm out of time. Currently it looks like it is serving requests.. just none of mine.. or extremely slowly. This could be a routine scalability issue due to increased traffic or newly exposed expensive links maxing out my setup. But I'll have to come back to it later. ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: wiki.zope.org outage
Did you try the .old file left by the pack? I did; it showed the same error. I agree, I don't think pack caused any trouble. I can keep the problem Data.fs around for a little longer, if there's any other diagnostics that would be interesting to try let me know. ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: wiki.zope.org outage
Ok, thanks. Perhaps the problem arose from being too near this VPS's disk quota. I pack weekly, I'm going to try moving the wikis into a separate storage to give me more control. ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] show_subtopics turned off in zope3 wiki
PS note the page hierarchy is still there, it can be seen above the page title and when you click all pages in this wiki, and it is a useful tool to divide conquer and organize our content. This will happen mostly automatically as you create pages. When you want to clean up or reorganize, use the reparent form (at the bottom of each page, or in the backlinks view). Try #zwiki for quick help when needed. ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] wiki.zope.org MX record request
Could I have the wiki.zope.org MX record pointed to mail.joyful.com ? This will allow me to email things to the wikis again. Thanks ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] zope.org wiki without cookies?
Hi Christian, all Zwiki always tried to keep login effort to a minimum; until now, the lightweight optional username cookie has been enough. (It's no longer optional on wiki.zope.org of course.) There has been talk of moving up to the next level, ie some kind of real authentication and member management, partly prompted by one or two persistent vandal incidents (swiftly reverted by Michael H.). I'm undecided myself, but do you have any ideas for a good, low-labour setup ? I'm aware of two Zope 2 products that manage membership - Plone and the venerable exUserFolder. -Simon ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Move-Message in Wiki pages
Does that mean apache rewrite rules are out ? Any idea how if the goal (redirect all old pages corresponding new pages) is achievable ? ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Move-Message in Wiki pages
Ok, I have simplified the redirect message. I promised d2m I would post apache rewrite rules here and request installation by whoever has that access. I haven't spent the time to figure them out yet. I'd like to redirect each page in each old wiki to the corresponding page in the new location and I think that can be done. You can see the old wiki urls at http://wiki.zope.org/OldWikis . The new urls are http://wiki.zope.org/SAMEFOLDERID (except ComponentArchitecture is now zope3). So, how would we write this. Is there someone more apache-wizardly who can get us started ? ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] Re: FAQ writing tips (Re: combining all zope2 FAQs into one big one at wiki.zope., org/zope2)
cc'ing from zope list: PS, here's a word of warning to FAQ writers from my own experience, a trap to avoid: You start writing answers for questions - it's so easy and tempting - later you find better answers out on the web, even elsewhere in the same wiki, but now you have a big, verbose body of duplicated docs that's too good to throw away but not quite valuable enough to attract a lot of maintenance. Result: stagnation. How to avoid this ? Maybe keeping these goals in mind will help: - research, link, gather, consolidate docs first; write new ones as last resort - keep answers in the faq short and to the point, link to best detailed docs elsewhere - avoid unnecessary duplication. Use the contents link to see what's in the zope2 and other zope wikis. Refactor the wiki content aggressively when appropriate. Also, long wiki pages are less fun to edit than short ones, use an external editor for FAQ work to avoid this pain. Emacs users, try rst-mode.el. -Simon ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] zope.org home page content
+1 ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] wiki skin
Chris Withers wrote: Is it going to move to the great new style that's been used for the Zope 3 wiki? Chris - I have several thoughts on that which I wanted to air - I took some time to get used to the new skin. I like it a lot - great work Kevin (and Tom). (In fact I'd like to include a generic version in Zwiki as a wiki template - are the authors ok with this ? I will make it as different as you think necessary to avoid confusion with the zope wikis.) I'm also quite fond of the basic Zwiki skin, which is adapted to my needs. For jumping around between many wikis, many pages, and doing serious wiki gardening, I find it less distracting, also the page hierarchy is clearer. For some people it will also be faster. So I wanted to leave it in place for at least a few days to give people a chance to see how it works for browsing these wikis. I also like that big Zope planet floating in the background of the zope2 wiki. The sense of wide-open spaciousness. And I like that it's visually distinct from the zope3 wiki, so you know at a glance where you are. I have been guessing the consensus will be to use the new skin across all the wikis, though. But I think we definitely need some way to differentiate them. Just now, motivated by Martijn's talk at DZUG (recommended!) I started to move the templates from /zope3 up to the root folder, then I realized the skin has zope3 wiki stuff hard-coded. So some more work is needed before the skin can be reused. Kevin, I wonder what your thoughts/plans are (feel free to try them out). Comments ? -Simon ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] wiki skin
But I think we definitely need some way to differentiate them. Actually, just a distinctive logo for each of the zope2 and zope3 wikis, and a generic look for the rest, might be the thing. ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] Re: ANN: more zope.org wikis moved, zopewiki.org renamed
Thanks! I forgot to mention all those who helped, such as Jim (access), Chris (dns), Michael (zope.org config), and everyone who gave feedback. I'm not sure why the announcement didn't show up here.. reposting. Simon Michael wrote: Zopistas, all wikis that were under http://zope.org/Wikis have now been moved to http://wiki.zope.org . The old wikis have been made read only. 60 wikis were moved. ~500 old dtml methods and ~1500 old wiki help pages were cleaned out. Mail subscriptions still need a little work. Enjoy! You may see some excellent docs you never saw before, I certainly did. I'm sure there's a lot of cleanup opportunities here - jump in. Also, zopewiki.org has been renamed to http://wiki.zope.org/zope2 . The old url was great to use, but the new one will fit better with the new scheme. Old zopewiki urls will redirect. All of these wikis should share cookies, so you only have to set your zwiki options once. All should have similar edit policies - full edit access, username option required. Please reply here with any problems. Thanks for going along with this - it was satisfying. :) -Simon ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] wiki urls
I agree with you (on both points), even though 1 requires more typing. We want to have common authentication, cookies etc. across these wikis. So let's consider zope3.zwiki.org deprecated, I'll make it redirect to wiki.zope.org/zope3. ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] zopewiki - zope2 ?
Is it a good idea to rename http://zopewiki.org to http://wiki.zope.org/zope2 ? (Whether to merge zope 2 and zope 3 wikis is a separate issue, personally I think they are better separate for the moment.) ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] dns request: wiki.zope.org
Thanks! ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] wiki urls
.. 2 and 3 autocomplete in firefox much quicker .. ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] more wiki moves coming
OMG, there's quite a lot of wikis under /Wikis. They will all be moved too, and the old ones made read only if everything looks good. This isn't going to happen right away, but I want to give everyone some warning. ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] redirects
Also, down the road a little bit, but something we could be thinking about: if we could redirect all these wiki pages to their new location as Michael H. suggested, I think that would be good - better than me adding status messages all over the place. ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Skinning the new zope 3 wiki
Yes - Kevin, I just prepended the standard docutils stylesheet to your stylesheet.css. I like to keep it intact and add any overrides at the bottom, so we can easily replace it with docutils' latest. ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] Re: cut over ?
I dumped some process notes at http://zwiki.org/Zope3WikiMove . Here are some questions I had about the configuration at zope3.zwiki.org : - default markup ? Structured Text will remain the default unless there is a consensus to promote rst or something else for this wiki. - show subtopics ? Zwiki's automatic subtopics links are currently enabled. Generally I find they reduce manual work and increase visibility of the wiki content (having them is like proximity radar, not having them is like tunnel vision). But this wiki's content is structured to work without them, and you might prefer to just turn off that feature. - max_anonymous_links, max_identified_links An anti-spam feature; anonymous users and identified users (who have set a username in options) may only post a certain maximum number of external links per edit. This stops a lot of automated spam, but can also be annoying. Currently these are set to 0 and unlimited. - WikiName links ? Should bare WikiNames be linked ? A lot of the wiki uses these links. Currently enabled. - single bracket links ? Enabled. - mail out edits or comments by default ? The old wiki mails out all edits to subscribers. The new one will let subscribers choose all edits or just the comments and new pages, probably. Which should be configured for the current subscribers ? - mail-in ? Should new pages and comment replies via mail-in be allowed ? Currently disabled. - webdav, ftp access ? Currently disabled except for managers, probably. External editor is enabled for all. Cheers -Simon ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: cut over ?
Here are some questions I had about the configuration at zope3.zwiki.org : Another: - rating stars, on or off ? I think any kind of user rating data is a good idea and might be put to good use in unexpected ways later, so these are enabled. On the other hand, arguably we won't get a useful quantity of votes any time soon, they may look clunky in IE, and so could be considered clutter. ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: cut over ?
Thanks Fred, Kevin. A quick comment on subtopics - Showing all the subtopics makes the home page rather overwhelming. I Right now it is, I agree. I'll just note some alternatives: - sometimes that's just a sign that the hierarchy needs rearranging. For example those children could be moved up to the top level (leaving FrontPage with no children). - on a particular page you can customize the depth of subtopics shown, as at http://zopewiki.org/ZopeWiki . That can be good on a front page, though on the down side it's inconsistent and might add confusion. - if someone out there is motivated to make collapse/expand work, start at http://zwiki.org/HowToMakeContentsExpandable would be tempted to show the entire tree under a link labelled 'site map' That's the contents link. ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Foundation Site
Hurrah! Great work all. ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] the wikis is evil discussion
Thanks Martijn, all. We made some good progress. For clarity, I heard no arguments against me trying the below so right now I have this action and will report any results here asap. (11:01:29) sm: yes, some good progress (11:01:40) sm: increased clarity understanding of next steps anyway (11:02:35) sm: it sounds like I should try mirroring the wikis like you suggest, so I hope to start some of that and follow up soon (11:07:58) sm: mirroring some wikis alongside zopewiki.org, starting with zope 3 wiki (11:08:29) sm: and see how that goes.. if it's a success we could deprecate the old wikis (11:09:08) sm: and then later I imagine they would move to a zope foundation zope server ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: [Zope] Re: Protocol question about ZopeBook typos
Chris Withers wrote: It'd be ral nice to bring the Zope Book back into one place under the zope.org banner somewhere... +1! ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
