Re: [ZWeb] Re: volunteers wanted! zope foundation website as guinea pig
On 8/25/06, Tom Von Lahndorff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, thats the problem. Because IE6 doesnt fully support the hover function in CSS you need a javascript 'hack' to get a flyout to work. Nono, we don't WANT it to flyout. On-hover menus is a pain in the ass. We want it to flyout when we klick. That's the problem. ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: volunteers wanted! zope foundation website as guinea pig
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: Yeah, thats the problem. Because IE6 doesnt fully support the hover function in CSS you need a javascript 'hack' to get a flyout to work. It actually a very small and clean script, but an IE hack nonetheless. More info here: http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ I think we could have submenus display under the menu item once a section is clicked, but until IE gets it together (Im not reading too many promising reviews of IE7) we should probably avoid any 'IE hacks'. Instead of worrying about the drop-downs too much, I'd really like to see a template that uses a fairly standard left-hand-side navigation (perhaps with major categories on the top). www.plone.org uses this pattern, for instance. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: volunteers wanted! zope foundation website as guinea pig
Working on it. :) On Aug 25, 2006, at 6:59 AM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: Yeah, thats the problem. Because IE6 doesnt fully support the hover function in CSS you need a javascript 'hack' to get a flyout to work. It actually a very small and clean script, but an IE hack nonetheless. More info here: http://www.htmldog.com/articles/suckerfish/dropdowns/ I think we could have submenus display under the menu item once a section is clicked, but until IE gets it together (Im not reading too many promising reviews of IE7) we should probably avoid any 'IE hacks'. Instead of worrying about the drop-downs too much, I'd really like to see a template that uses a fairly standard left-hand-side navigation (perhaps with major categories on the top). www.plone.org uses this pattern, for instance. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] Re: volunteers wanted! zope foundation website as guinea pig
Chris Withers wrote: Martijn Faassen wrote: * possibly no drop-down menus at the top. We could simply have links there, or possibly a standard left-hand side navigation. This design is the top page; we need to see a sub-page design as well. I like the dropdowns ;-) Tom said he'd work on a version without dropdowns, so we'll see; I'm leaning strongly to a non-dropdown structure myself. I think a version without dropdowns might fit better in, say, a Plone site, which is interesting as we're exploring the plone.org hosting infrastructure offer as well. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] Re: volunteers wanted! zope foundation website as guinea pig
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: I'm here. I'll tweak the design per the suggestions below and send it out. I actually worked on another one since then. Ill send that out as well. Tom, you're awesome! Thanks! Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Re: volunteers wanted! zope foundation website as guinea pig
On 23 Aug 2006, at 12:57, Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: http://modscape.com/zope I added Design 2. I like it much better than Design 1. I think we should work off of Design 2 Thoughts? My vote is for Design 1. IMHO Design 2 gives me this gut feeling of a site that wants to be overly flashy or fashionable. It looks less business-like. I perceive design 1 as cleaner, the different boxes and content areas are more delineated as well. jens ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] Re: volunteers wanted! zope foundation website as guinea pig
Martijn Faassen wrote: I propose we use Tom Von Lahndorff's design for the foundation website. For the purposes of the foundation site we should strip it down: +lots * possibly no drop-down menus at the top. We could simply have links there, or possibly a standard left-hand side navigation. This design is the top page; we need to see a sub-page design as well. I like the dropdowns ;-) I propose letting www.zope.org/foundation point to a Apache directory, where we maintain HTML files. We will then generate such HTML files from restructured text we maintain in the zope SVN repository, using a simple script that drives docutils. +1 There's one alternative to this approach that will also work on the short term: a volunteer that's willing to work with zope.org and integrate the layout and text and structure we want into existing zope.org infrastructure. If someone volunteers to work on this, I'd be happy to do it that way as well. Does anyone volunteer? -1 comments-from-peanut-gallery-ly yours, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
[ZWeb] Re: volunteers wanted! zope foundation website as guinea pig
I'm here. I'll tweak the design per the suggestions below and send it out. I actually worked on another one since then. Ill send that out as well. On Aug 22, 2006, at 1:43 PM, Martijn Faassen wrote: Hi there, It's nearing september, and I'd like to start some work on zope.org, in particular www.zope.org/foundation. I'm looking for volunteers to help. As you all probably know, we have a Zope Foundation, of which I'm a board member (representative for the committer members). Aroldo Souza-Leite is also on the board as chairman. Aroldo and I are the board members responsible for the zope.org website committee. The task of the zope.org committee is to improve the zope.org web presence. Aroldo and I won't be doing the work or decision making alone, but since we have the backing of the foundation, we can make decisions stick. Volunteers are welcome to join this committee! One of the first tasks at hand is to improve the presence of the Zope Foundation on the web. We currently have a section here: http://www.zope.org/foundation This website doesn't look very pretty at all. My proposal is to reorganize it, have some introductory text, put in links to relevant information resources, such as mailing lists (including this one), and to stick a nice layout around it. This project will serve two purposes: * to create a nice website for the foundation. * serve as an example and test case for the wider zope.org renewal project. So, please help us out. Layout -- I propose we use Tom Von Lahndorff's design for the foundation website. For the purposes of the foundation site we should strip it down: * no login necessary * no search (unless we integrate google-based search, perhaps) * possibly no drop-down menus at the top. We could simply have links there, or possibly a standard left-hand side navigation. This design is the top page; we need to see a sub-page design as well. Tom, are you still there? This time we're going to use what you made quickly, if you're willing! Structure and text -- Aroldo and I (Aroldo, I'm volunteering you :) are willing to work on a bunch of restructured text documents that introduce the zope foundation and set up the site structure. Technology -- I've said this before, and I'll just repeat it again: let's try to avoid technology discussions as much as we can. Most of us, including myself, are techies, so it's attractive to do this, but we just want to put a website up. This doesn't require any new technology, nor does it require a heavy-duty CMS. To break my own rule on no technology discussions right way: I propose letting www.zope.org/foundation point to a Apache directory, where we maintain HTML files. We will then generate such HTML files from restructured text we maintain in the zope SVN repository, using a simple script that drives docutils. If you want examples of websites that are managed this way and I have personal experience with, check out the following places on codespeak: http://codespeak.net/z3/ http://codespeak.net/lxml/ Since we're not aiming for a big site, this should be sufficient technology. For the larger zope.org, we may need something else, or we may not. Let's treat the foundation website as a trial case here too, and see how we like it. There's one alternative to this approach that will also work on the short term: a volunteer that's willing to work with zope.org and integrate the layout and text and structure we want into existing zope.org infrastructure. If someone volunteers to work on this, I'd be happy to do it that way as well. Does anyone volunteer? Any other technological approaches require more setup and I'd like to defer them for the time being. We can take them up when we tackle zope.org proper. I hope we can all have this together in a couple of weeks, so let's start working! Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
