Re: [ZWeb] Version 3
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21 Mar 2006, at 07:48, Chris Withers wrote: Yeah, I'm well aware of that. But release space for software and addition of news is about all zope.org is currently used for. I think this is an important use case to cater for in the future... *bzz* DENIED This might be an important use case, but it is out of the scope for the new zope.org setup. The new setup is specifically targeted at not being a free-for-all community playground anymore. One of the reasons why the old site is getting worse every day is loads of outdated and sometimes plain bad documents and products that no one cares for anymore. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEH9FCRAx5nvEhZLIRApA5AKCSFehWlO6R06TeV63E8Q+0Wpfa6ACeMRdW pM+r+g1yxOoWrW4u+UNfnoI= =PerW -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Version 3
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 21 Mar 2006, at 10:13, Chris Withers wrote: Jens Vagelpohl wrote: This might be an important use case, but it is out of the scope for the new zope.org setup. The new setup is specifically targeted at not being a free-for-all community playground anymore. One of the reasons why the old site is getting worse every day is loads of outdated and sometimes plain bad documents and products that no one cares for anymore. So how are people supposed to publish news items? Where are they supposed to release software? How are people coming to Zope supposed to find products they want to use? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for limiting scope a lot, but if we're not catering for these basic needs, then what's the point of having the site at all? Instead of re-hashing stuff for the umpteenth time, please check in the list archives. These discussions were held several times now. jens -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (Darwin) iD8DBQFEH9IURAx5nvEhZLIRAu6zAJ9wwxx3gYvrgi4RfVAf+FR2fIi7HwCfQFtC iGfPb5F8h2+1ISQiMpqLBV8= =gc2I -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Version 3
On 3/21/06, Jens Vagelpohl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of re-hashing stuff for the umpteenth time, please check in the list archives. These discussions were held several times now. Dont discuss it. Just link to the conclusion. ;-) -- Lennart Regebro, Nuxeo http://www.nuxeo.com/ CPS Content Management http://www.cps-project.org/ ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Version 3
Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: http://www.modscape.com/zope/v3 Updated. Pretty much ready to roll. Please send along any comments. Wow, great work! Looks nice. I agree with Brad Allen's comments about Zope needing to project a bit of seriousness, and this is serious with still enough color. I'm a text-oriented guy so I'm really am waiting for the catchy text in the middle. I hope we can get this integrated for another mockup, also concerning subpages. Regards, Martijn ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Version 3
On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 08:45 +0100, Michael Haubenwallner wrote: Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: - What about the login + navbars ? Will add login as well. Not sure what you mean about navbars? The navigation is up top, the black bar. Maybe we don't have login on these pages; maybe use a different url for 'managing' the site: manager.zope.org or something which adds in an additional skin which includes these macros. Just an idea. I meant the bar holding the object, folder, user, workflow and global actions, currently displayed in a horizontal bar under the header/banner block. You can't use zope.org (plone) without the actions. It should be fairly trivial to work these in - remember, these types of actions are not going to be for the general user populacethus shouldn't be a main focus for his designs INMNSHO. Andrew Michael ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Version 3
On Sun, 2006-03-19 at 21:25 -0600, Brad Allen wrote: http://www.modscape.com/zope/v3 The Zope News and Zope Products section do seem slightly drab. Drab is ok for documention but news stories could use just a little bit of zing. The News and Products sections you see now are not going to be paramount on the page when all is said and done. We're trying to get some good catchy text/phrases going for the home page which draws users into the 'meat' of the site. A smaller presence of the news and products needs to be considered. Andrew ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Version 3
Andrew Sawyers wrote: On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 08:45 +0100, Michael Haubenwallner wrote: Tom Von Lahndorff wrote: - What about the login + navbars ? Will add login as well. Not sure what you mean about navbars? The navigation is up top, the black bar. Maybe we don't have login on these pages; maybe use a different url for 'managing' the site: manager.zope.org or something which adds in an additional skin which includes these macros. Just an idea. I meant the bar holding the object, folder, user, workflow and global actions, currently displayed in a horizontal bar under the header/banner block. You can't use zope.org (plone) without the actions. It should be fairly trivial to work these in - remember, these types of actions are not going to be for the general user populacethus shouldn't be a main focus for his designs INMNSHO. Understood and ok with me. Its just that we never talked about that solution before (i've always seen the modscape mockups as a drop-in replacement for the current mode of zope.org operation). Michael -- http://zope.org/Members/d2m http://planetzope.org ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Version 3
On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 16:09 +0100, Michael Haubenwallner wrote: Understood and ok with me. Its just that we never talked about that solution before (i've always seen the modscape mockups as a drop-in replacement for the current mode of zope.org operation). Forgot to reply all This thought had never occurred to me, thus the divergence. I had always thought developmental work was to move forward the 'new' site - never deal with the current one. It was my opinion it was stay as is. Andrew Michael ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Version 3
Here are some comments from Jeff Rush. Delivered-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2006 04:42:26 -0600 From: Jeff Rush [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Accept-Language: en-us, en To: Brad Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [ZWeb] Version 3 (I'm not a subscriber to the ZWeb list yet, so I'll send my comments to you) Brad Allen wrote: http://www.modscape.com/zope/v3 - the page looks pretty dark/heavy, got a 'daylight' version ? Not really, no. I don't think this version is dark at all. I like the colors -- calming and clear. I suppose if enough people dislike it, you could dial up the brightness of the blue a touch. Bonnie said she liked the lilies, and they do add a nice bit of understated beauty to the site. I don't know if the naturalistic imagery means anything, but adding a bit of aliveness to the page certainly can't hurt. I like them - they are understated and don't get in the way. The right side blurbs with icons looked really good at first glance but on further examination I think the question mark over the Zope sphere is visually confusing. An alternative might be to get rid of the question mark overlay. The question mark either needs to be dropped or enlarged so it extends beyond the Zope circle. The Zope-Power Sites at the bottom only provides one example. How about a link to more Zope-power sites and/or success stories? This is a draft - I'm sure there will be more. A question is how will multiple success stories be visually represented? --- I have bigger questions though. 1. Does the page print well? 2. Is the site to represent -both- Zope2 and Zope3, or just Zope3? Wit mentions of Plone, CMF and Zope Products on the drop-down menus, it seems to be targeted at Zope2. 3. On those drop-down menus, lose the constant prefix Zope. For example, under Business, we don't need Zope Training, just Training. 4. Re the copyright at the bottom - shouldn't that be Zope Foundation instead? 5. I like the drop-down menus, although they won't print. 6. The icon along the right for Zope Docs looks elongated. Overall it looks like a good start and I like the direction. It needs more filling out to get a good grasp of how the overall site will flow. -Jeff ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Version 3
About printing. The CSS for printable pages has not been added yet. The pages will be printer freindly (inluding menus). - Original Message - From: Andrew Sawyers [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Brad Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: zope-web@zope.org Sent: Monday, March 20, 2006 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [ZWeb] Version 3 --- I have bigger questions though. 1. Does the page print well? Dunno, a print css would solve this easily. 2. Is the site to represent -both- Zope2 and Zope3, or just Zope3? Wit mentions of Plone, CMF and Zope Products on the drop-down menus, it seems to be targeted at Zope2. It has always been in my scope of trying to direct this to focus on Zope the technology, not a specific zope version. 3. On those drop-down menus, lose the constant prefix Zope. For example, under Business, we don't need Zope Training, just Training. Drop down menus are placeholders - there is actually structre in svn we are going to be using on the live site. 4. Re the copyright at the bottom - shouldn't that be Zope Foundation instead?\ There is no Zope Foundation yet. Suppose it likely should be when it is formed. 5. I like the drop-down menus, although they won't print. Do we care? Can this be handled in css? Andrew ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Version 3
Andrew Sawyers wrote: Maybe we don't have login on these pages; maybe use a different url for 'managing' the site: manager.zope.org or something which adds in an additional skin which includes these macros. Just an idea. How would normal users go about submitting news and product releases? Where would they upload the files? cheers, Chris -- Simplistix - Content Management, Zope Python Consulting - http://www.simplistix.co.uk ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
Re: [ZWeb] Version 3
http://www.modscape.com/zope/v3 - the page looks pretty dark/heavy, got a 'daylight' version ? Not really, no. I don't think this version is dark at all. It looks good to me. I asked my wife, Bonnie, who is opinionated about color schemes and she described it as soothing and calm. If you want flashy, you may want to brighten it up, but I think this looks appropriate for Zope. It's important to convey seriousness, good organization and professionalism. Visitors should perceive that Zope is active, widely used for professional work, and that the site has usefulness. The Zope News and Zope Products section do seem slightly drab. Drab is ok for documention but news stories could use just a little bit of zing. Bonnie said she liked the lilies, and they do add a nice bit of understated beauty to the site. I don't know if the naturalistic imagery means anything, but adding a bit of aliveness to the page certainly can't hurt. The right side blurbs with icons looked really good at first glance but on further examination I think the question mark over the Zope sphere is visually confusing. An alternative might be to get rid of the question mark overlay. The Zope-Power Sites at the bottom only provides one example. How about a link to more Zope-power sites and/or success stories? ___ Zope-web maillist - Zope-web@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-web
